30 luger point of aim - Page 2

k38 · 08-12-2017, 09:47 AM

My 1920 Commercial (30 Luger, of course) is good for a 6 o'clock hold at 50 feet (the indoor bullseye distance). I haven't had the gun long and only have used Fiocci purple and black box.

Rick W. · 08-12-2017, 05:44 PM

Would it make a difference if one places the tip of the front sight at the top of the rear "V" or at the very bottom of the "V"?

6 o'clock hold or direct on as one of the two choices above?

kurusu · 08-13-2017, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

Would it make a difference if one places the tip of the front sight at the top of the rear "V" or at the very bottom of the "V"?

6 o'clock hold or direct on as one of the two choices above?

Huge difference. But that is no way to use the sights. You can only get consistent shots aligning the tip of the front sight with the top of the rear sight. They are hard enough to use even that way.

6 o'clock hold.

Rick W. · 08-13-2017, 06:18 PM

Bill,

I too was taught on occasion to use the 6 o'clock hold, I hold on the bottom of the black where I get to shoot. One never knows how others "hold" their sights.

Some people are just natural shots, about all I can say on some folks I have known. A bit unorthodox in their methods with pistols they were, but one cannot take away their ability to shoot very accurately and resultant hits.

Guess the old Luger was really intended as a battle pistol,when all was said and done. Sometimes in those circumstances, sights are not really necessary. Remember instinctive shooting lessons in the service, quick kill I think it was referred to?

As you know, if a pistol does not shoot the way one wants, there are always methods to move the poi, some easy to do, some harder to do.

I guess it is interesting from a historical point of view of what was intended in the original design, ie read the books senerio like I have been told before here. But if a Luger does not shoot the way I want it to, I modify it until it gives results that suit me.

Who am I to say how one should shoot really? Just kinda glad people still shoot at all in these times. Hold of the sights vary with folks, along with the point of impact.

Thanks for your knowledgeable response.

Rick W.

k38 · 08-12-2017, 06:55 PM

I use the classic 6 o'clock hold: top of front sight even with the tops of the rear sight "ears." POA right below the bull. If you put the top of the front sight at the very bottom of the V, you are depressing the muzzle and will shoot low. I do almost all my shooting at 50 feet, about 17 yards.

DonVoigt · 08-13-2017, 08:12 PM

Rick,
I agree, what ever hold and sight alignment that works for the individual is the "best" for them .

spacecoast · 08-15-2017, 03:22 PM

My .30 cal alphabet Luger shoots about 6 inches high at 25 yards with the front sight at the bottom of the V. But it is extremely consistent, not hard at all to hold 3-4" groups two-handed.

kurusu · 08-15-2017, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spacecoast

My .30 cal alphabet Luger shoots about 6 inches high at 25 yards with the front sight at the bottom of the V. But it is extremely consistent, not hard at all to hold 3-4" groups two-handed.

I compete one handed. And 4 inch groups won't do, not if I intend to win.

P. Octo · 08-20-2017, 12:05 PM

Shooting a 1906 Swiss commercial: 0.31g (4.78gr) of N340 behind a 93gr coated bullet and either Muron or Fiocchi primers. I must hold at 6 o'clock on the 4/5 ring of the target in #18 post, two handed and, in good days, stay in the 8 at 25m; the blade is even with the top of the V notch. If I use FMJ bullets, it tends to shoot an inch lower, maximum, therefore the choice of the 5 ring.

DonVoigt · 08-20-2017, 03:45 PM

Like I said,
Aim where it "works" for you, your target and distance, your ammo, and your pistol!

They are all variables that must come together!

P. Octo · 08-21-2017, 07:41 AM

First, I don't know what prompted me to identify the Luger as a Swiss commercial! It is a Swiss military, sorry.
Next, I'll take out the 1929 Swiss military, use the same reloads and see if they arrive in the same place; this particular Luger has a beautiful trigger pull, perceptively better than the 1906 of my previous post.

P. Octo · 12-22-2020, 12:27 PM

Took the 06/29 Swiss military out to the range yesterday, same load as in my previous post#28; poi at 6 o'clock: most grouped in the upper half of the bull. Quite happy with the results.

Vlim · 12-22-2020, 02:34 PM

With the Luger, it is not necessary to shoot/aim with a stretched arm.

In fact, the original shooting stance used back in the day was with the arm a bit bent. Simply reduce the distance between the eye and the sights by 'pulling' the gun towards you by flexing the upper/lower arm a little bit more.

The Germans referred to this as the 'tea pot stance', because, with the body slightly rotated, the shooting arm bent and placing the free arm in the lower back for support. You look a bit like a stylized tea pot, hence the name.

It actually works quite well.

Vlim · 12-23-2020, 10:19 AM

This test target says 50 Meters.

Anschussentfernung 50m.

08-13-2017, 08:12 PM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Rick, I agree, what ever hold and sight alignment that works for the individual is the "best" for them . __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

08-15-2017, 03:22 PM	#7
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	My .30 cal alphabet Luger shoots about 6 inches high at 25 yards with the front sight at the bottom of the V. But it is extremely consistent, not hard at all to hold 3-4" groups two-handed. __________________ My avatars are the Bulgarian word for "Fire", as seen on my 1900, 1906 and 1908 Bulgarian Contract DWM Lugers. Looking for a DWM Commercial side plate #95

08-20-2017, 03:45 PM	#10
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Like I said, Aim where it "works" for you, your target and distance, your ammo, and your pistol! They are all variables that must come together! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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08-12-2017, 09:47 AM	#1
k38 User Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 36 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	My 1920 Commercial (30 Luger, of course) is good for a 6 o'clock hold at 50 feet (the indoor bullseye distance). I haven't had the gun long and only have used Fiocci purple and black box.

08-12-2017, 05:44 PM	#2
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	Would it make a difference if one places the tip of the front sight at the top of the rear "V" or at the very bottom of the "V"? 6 o'clock hold or direct on as one of the two choices above?

08-13-2017, 06:18 PM	#4
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	Bill, I too was taught on occasion to use the 6 o'clock hold, I hold on the bottom of the black where I get to shoot. One never knows how others "hold" their sights. Some people are just natural shots, about all I can say on some folks I have known. A bit unorthodox in their methods with pistols they were, but one cannot take away their ability to shoot very accurately and resultant hits. Guess the old Luger was really intended as a battle pistol,when all was said and done. Sometimes in those circumstances, sights are not really necessary. Remember instinctive shooting lessons in the service, quick kill I think it was referred to? As you know, if a pistol does not shoot the way one wants, there are always methods to move the poi, some easy to do, some harder to do. I guess it is interesting from a historical point of view of what was intended in the original design, ie read the books senerio like I have been told before here. But if a Luger does not shoot the way I want it to, I modify it until it gives results that suit me. Who am I to say how one should shoot really? Just kinda glad people still shoot at all in these times. Hold of the sights vary with folks, along with the point of impact. Thanks for your knowledgeable response. Rick W.

08-12-2017, 06:55 PM	#5
k38 User Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 36 Thanks: 16 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	I use the classic 6 o'clock hold: top of front sight even with the tops of the rear sight "ears." POA right below the bull. If you put the top of the front sight at the very bottom of the V, you are depressing the muzzle and will shoot low. I do almost all my shooting at 50 feet, about 17 yards.

08-20-2017, 12:05 PM	#9
P. Octo User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Cannes, France Posts: 32 Thanks: 20 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Shooting a 1906 Swiss commercial: 0.31g (4.78gr) of N340 behind a 93gr coated bullet and either Muron or Fiocchi primers. I must hold at 6 o'clock on the 4/5 ring of the target in #18 post, two handed and, in good days, stay in the 8 at 25m; the blade is even with the top of the V notch. If I use FMJ bullets, it tends to shoot an inch lower, maximum, therefore the choice of the 5 ring.

08-21-2017, 07:41 AM	#11
P. Octo User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Cannes, France Posts: 32 Thanks: 20 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	First, I don't know what prompted me to identify the Luger as a Swiss commercial! It is a Swiss military, sorry. Next, I'll take out the 1929 Swiss military, use the same reloads and see if they arrive in the same place; this particular Luger has a beautiful trigger pull, perceptively better than the 1906 of my previous post.

12-22-2020, 12:27 PM	#12
P. Octo User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Cannes, France Posts: 32 Thanks: 20 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Took the 06/29 Swiss military out to the range yesterday, same load as in my previous post#28; poi at 6 o'clock: most grouped in the upper half of the bull. Quite happy with the results.