LugerForum Discussion Forums my profile | register | faq | search
upload photo | donate | calendar

Go Back   LugerForum Discussion Forums > General Discussion Forums > Repairs, Restoration & Refinishing

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 03-15-2017, 06:52 PM   #1
Rick W.
User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 339
Thanks: 81
Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts
Default

Are we sure of the 50yd and 0.22" on a 4" with 0.001" increment?

naturally, tis only a theoretical line of sight calculation. 9mm drops like a rock past 50yds in reality.
Rick W. is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-15-2017, 08:08 PM   #2
DonVoigt
User
 
DonVoigt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: near Charlotte NC
Posts: 4,681
Thanks: 1,443
Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick W. View Post
Are we sure of the 50yd and 0.22" on a 4" with 0.001" increment?

naturally, tis only a theoretical line of sight calculation. 9mm drops like a rock past 50yds in reality.

Why don't you double check the calculation?
I find empirically that these heights would be ok.

Also, a 9mm(and all other rounds) drop just like a rock from the time they leave the muzzle!
__________________
03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector.
Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie
DonVoigt is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-15-2017, 08:38 PM   #3
Rick W.
User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 339
Thanks: 81
Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts
Default

I did a calculation the old fashioned way and got a nominal 0.225" at 25yds, then tried the 50 yds, got double that as one might think. 4 inch barrel, with 0.001" offset. This only has the barrel length and not the barrel length plus action length to rear sight.........ie sight radius, which as most knows, varies with model.

I then tried the parameters in this Brownell's software set, no familiarization with this piece of software; first time to try it.

http://www.brownells.com/GunTech/Sig....htm?lid=13093

G.T. is going to put out some bucks for this, just wanting to make sure he got the right stuff. Only asking someone mathematical to double check.........if I am wrong, I am sorry; but my home brew approach and the software above agree. Plug in the numbers and see if you agree or not.

I have no dog in the fight on what to offer as to sight heights. Only inquiring about the theoretical calculation. I have moved on to adjustable rear sights and even scope bases on my Lugers now.

Someone will appreciate the availability of front sights again, I am sure. The old Marble's 27 was a nice sight for some applications, but not produced for a while now.

My best to G.T.'s offering.

Last edited by Rick W.; 03-15-2017 at 09:33 PM.
Rick W. is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-16-2017, 09:19 AM   #4
John Sabato
Lifer
Lifetime Forum
Patron
 
John Sabato's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Capital of the Free World
Posts: 10,155
Thanks: 3,003
Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DonVoigt View Post

Also, a 9mm(and all other rounds) drop just like a rock from the time they leave the muzzle!

Tis' true... all things (including moving bullet projectiles) drop at the rate of 32 feet per second, per second...up until the time they reach maximum resistance to the moving air based on their mass and physical size...

I remember that from General Science class back in the middle of the last century... and I don't think they have repealed the laws of physics...(at least not just yet)...
__________________
regards, -John S

"...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL and are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."
John Sabato is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to John Sabato for your post:
Unread 03-15-2017, 09:33 PM   #5
ithacaartist
Twice a Lifer
Lifetime Forum
Patron
 
ithacaartist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY
Posts: 3,374
Thanks: 7,447
Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick W. View Post
Are we sure of the 50yd and 0.22" on a 4" with 0.001" increment?

naturally, tis only a theoretical line of sight calculation. 9mm drops like a rock past 50yds in reality.
Hah! 9mm does indeed drop exactly like a rock! But then again, so does every other caliber! Galileo demonstrated as such around 1590. Velocity is the only variable in this case.
__________________
"... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894
ithacaartist is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-15-2017, 09:52 PM   #6
Rick W.
User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 339
Thanks: 81
Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts
Default

I reckon the comment on dropping like a rock after 50 yds, suggests that 50yds might be considered a maximum yardage for iron sight height for the Luger. That is really all was intended.

I thought your comment on the single tall height sight was a good one; offers something to everyone with minimum outlay. One have to consider such an offering being in competition with the 98 sight or a guy with tooling to add metal and rework.

Speed of course is one of the parameters. I agree. but getting off track some here. I have no doubt that GT will think it all out; he is a contributor.
Rick W. is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to Rick W. for your post:
Unread 03-15-2017, 10:02 PM   #7
G.T.
Lifer
Lifetime Forum
Patron
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Chandler Arizona
Posts: 3,528
Thanks: 1,334
Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts
Default valued input.....

Hi Rick, hey, I value, and accept, your input without hesitation... you have that, " been there done that" experience that is impossible to get anywhere else.... If you say something, you can bet your butt, I'm listening! I still have a lot to learn, and i'm not going to get there with out help from my forum friend / family! But, more important, using the .200" to .220" as a standard blade starting point... what would you recommend for increments...?? Good to hear from you Rick... best to all, til...lat'r...GT..
G.T. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2025, Lugerforum.com