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MEN 124gr.
Anyone else tried this? It's made by MEN in Germany. Found some locally and my P08 and P38 seem to like it. It's claimed to be NATO spec but doesn't have the cross and isn't loaded to +p so it's safe for the older pistols. I've fired 3 boxes so far and it's very clean, consistent, quality ammo. Plus it's nice to fire German made rounds through these German pistols
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12-16-2016, 12:06 AM | #2 |
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Is NATO spec. hotter than sporting spec, i.e. Winchester white box?
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Here are some stats from a thread on The Highroad forum https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...istics.803193/
men 9B 124 gr Nato XDS 3.3" low 1074 fps High 1114 fps AV 1089 fps ES 39.18 fps SD 13.19 string X 8rnds
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Still, MEN doesn't sound too bad.
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Those don't look like "Nato specs", which are closer to 1300 fps, IIRC.
Maybe only the 124 gr weight of the bullet is = to the Nato.
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I am not familiar with that ammo but if the AV is 1089FPS, then you should be fine. Good mainsprings are paramount for active Luger shooters, just like in other handguns.
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So, with the 124gn bullet, you would expect standard velocity 9mm Luger (as loaded by Winchester with W-231 powder) to be 920fps to a max of 1037fps. Higher velocity is +P or Nato pressure in that bullet weight, and inappropriate for a Luger.
Case: Winchester Twist: 1:10" Primer: CCI 500, Small Pistol Barrel Length: 4" Trim Length: .750" Bullet Weight124 GR. BERB HBRN TP Starting Loads Maximum Loads Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Winchester 231 .356" 1.150" 3.9 920 27,400 PSI 4.4 1,037 31,900 PSI
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Here's another tidbit from the same Highroad thread.
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Of course, it didn't exist back when our Lugers were designed, but the American standards (SAAMI) are published and in detail:
http://www.saami.org/specifications_...wnload/205.pdf See P.17. Specs for 9mm standard velocity cartridges show an average of 35,000 PSI with a probable maximum of 37,800 PSI. +P is average 38,500 PSI with max of 41,500 PSI. As you can see, the NATO definition exceeds SAAMI SV specifications, and approaches +P. But what were our Lugers designed to handle? For that you have to go to the early design documents and definition of the 9mm Luger cartridge. I'll get to my Sturgess books and update this when I've checked.
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