Japanese Luger Story in AutoMag...

Silvereagle29 · 03-11-2003, 12:52 AM

I made an attempt to post these comments a few days ago, unfortunately my comments failed to appear. I think they were lost in the "spell check". This time, I won't spell check this one. In my collection you will find a 1940 "flower" pistol, anyone is welcome to check it out any time your in my area. Certainly, it is not my intent to vote in favor of these pistols, but I do have a few comments. My pistol has a very small Japanese mark on the ball of the lower rear grip strap. This was pointed out to me by Mr. Don Forsythe of Lebonan, OR many years ago. This mark is not mentioned on other "flower" 1940 dates.????

Now for the Harry Jones issue. I knew Harry Jones many years ago. I was not a close friend, but knew him well enough to know that he was not a faker of Luger pistols. During my many years of collecting the German Luger, I have had many discussions with many knowledgeable collectors relating to the know fakers. Harry Jones was never mentioned in any of these discussions. I believe a couple of you people have "jumped to conclusions" and convicted a well know Luger collector of fraud without a nickels worth of pure evidence or justification!!! Don't be in such a hurry to judge without some real facts!! Think, AM is a discussion publication, not a documentation of printed facts.

If Harry Jones was ever asked such an immature question such as (DID YOU FAKE THIS PISTOL?), I believe he would have answered the question with a tail that would have impressed Fred Datig, Jan Still, Sam Costanzo or Charles kenyon. He was just sort of person. See the last issue of AM for a typical Harry Jones answer. I know of a few real fakers who would have presented a real "vet story", like directly from the Vet's wife, etc..If you believe that gun show story, maybe we can get a group together and buy a bridge to Hawaii..

Many years ago, I came upon a copy of a letter written by a US Diplomat stationed in Germany just after WW-11. The content of this letter indicated he had been presented a Luger of this type from a ranking German Diplomat. At that time it was his intention to bring this pistol back to the US. Was this letter advance advertizing for the fake "Mum" 1940 dates or the truth???
This letter remains in my files, let me see if I can find it.

Never have I been convinced my 1940 Japanese marked pistol was correct and I'm certainly not going to pass it off on some to some new Luger collector. However, I believe this approach to proving a pistol is a fake or real really is not a demonstration of sincere Luger collectors. Stinks?? I will always doubt (if this pistol is proved to be a fake) the "mum' 1940-42 was born in Torrance, CA.

Do hope my spelling was acceptable this time, don't want to see this one "fly away".
Good Luck and have fun collecting. Let's get on to a more interesting discussion.

Don Hallock
Novice Luger Collector

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03-11-2003, 12:52 AM	#11
Silvereagle29 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I made an attempt to post these comments a few days ago, unfortunately my comments failed to appear. I think they were lost in the "spell check". This time, I won't spell check this one. In my collection you will find a 1940 "flower" pistol, anyone is welcome to check it out any time your in my area. Certainly, it is not my intent to vote in favor of these pistols, but I do have a few comments. My pistol has a very small Japanese mark on the ball of the lower rear grip strap. This was pointed out to me by Mr. Don Forsythe of Lebonan, OR many years ago. This mark is not mentioned on other "flower" 1940 dates.???? Now for the Harry Jones issue. I knew Harry Jones many years ago. I was not a close friend, but knew him well enough to know that he was not a faker of Luger pistols. During my many years of collecting the German Luger, I have had many discussions with many knowledgeable collectors relating to the know fakers. Harry Jones was never mentioned in any of these discussions. I believe a couple of you people have "jumped to conclusions" and convicted a well know Luger collector of fraud without a nickels worth of pure evidence or justification!!! Don't be in such a hurry to judge without some real facts!! Think, AM is a discussion publication, not a documentation of printed facts. If Harry Jones was ever asked such an immature question such as (DID YOU FAKE THIS PISTOL?), I believe he would have answered the question with a tail that would have impressed Fred Datig, Jan Still, Sam Costanzo or Charles kenyon. He was just sort of person. See the last issue of AM for a typical Harry Jones answer. I know of a few real fakers who would have presented a real "vet story", like directly from the Vet's wife, etc..If you believe that gun show story, maybe we can get a group together and buy a bridge to Hawaii.. Many years ago, I came upon a copy of a letter written by a US Diplomat stationed in Germany just after WW-11. The content of this letter indicated he had been presented a Luger of this type from a ranking German Diplomat. At that time it was his intention to bring this pistol back to the US. Was this letter advance advertizing for the fake "Mum" 1940 dates or the truth??? This letter remains in my files, let me see if I can find it. Never have I been convinced my 1940 Japanese marked pistol was correct and I'm certainly not going to pass it off on some to some new Luger collector. However, I believe this approach to proving a pistol is a fake or real really is not a demonstration of sincere Luger collectors. Stinks?? I will always doubt (if this pistol is proved to be a fake) the "mum' 1940-42 was born in Torrance, CA. Do hope my spelling was acceptable this time, don't want to see this one "fly away". Good Luck and have fun collecting. Let's get on to a more interesting discussion. Don Hallock Novice Luger Collector