New to me Interarms Parabellum - Page 2

Tango3 · 09-15-2016, 11:07 PM

Richard,
I haven't had the chance to field strip the Parabellum yet but have read and viewed YouTube videos and it looks easy. I'll let ya know, hope to find time to do it tomorrow so as to take it to the range on Saturday.

"...although some are beautiful machines." Are you intimating that Ps are beautiful and 11s aren't? Just messin' wid ya. I do find my 11s beautiful ('specially my Les Baer Commanche Heavyweight Monolith) but I must say that they have a much more "industrial" beauty than the sleek beauty of the P-08.

I'm surprised by the number of you who aren't anal about the meticulous cleaning of these close tolerance weapons. In the 1911 world, tightly constructed (close tolerance) means clean it carefully and frequently as opposed to a loosely fit weapon although I've run as much as 750 rounds through my tightly fitted Baer Monolith during one range trip with just occasional oil with no problems. Constant 11 forum argument between the cleanly group and the leave 'em filthy group.
Since I CC my weapons, clean is how I roll.

Thanks for the Mec-gar suggestion. I've purchased and received three of 'em thinking that the factory mags might have issues with those, to me, goofy plastic bases in that they might be brittle with age. Looks like these bases have pins that have to be punched out to replace them that could be a real pain in the butt. Why don't they just make them out of metal to start with. I know...cost but it's a cost I'd gladly pay.

+ on using 115-124 gr FMJ round nose. Since it won't be a defense pistol for me, no need to fool with hollow points.

Thanks,
Eric

mrerick · 09-15-2016, 05:39 PM

Can anyone verify that the standard Luger magazines (used with the P.08 like those mentioned above) will fit and work properly with the Interarms Parabellum pistols?

I think I remember that there is a difference, but am not sure...

ithacaartist · 09-15-2016, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Can anyone verify that the standard Luger magazines (used with the P.08 like those mentioned above) will fit and work properly with the Interarms Parabellum pistols?

I think I remember that there is a difference, but am not sure...

The MecGar mags work fine in mine.

Tango3 · 09-15-2016, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Can anyone verify that the standard Luger magazines (used with the P.08 like those mentioned above) will fit and work properly with the Interarms Parabellum pistols?

I think I remember that there is a difference, but am not sure...

Marc,
I'll let you know Saturday evening after a range trip.
Eric

SteveM · 09-16-2016, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tango3

I was curious if one of you could tell me anything about my Parabellum number 11.00.2553.

Thanks,
Eric

Probably made in '71-'72, Swiss version(straight front gripstrap), 1553rd one made(ser nos. started at 1000), probably 4" barrel(I looked at my database and it falls with other 4 inchers).

DonVoigt · 09-16-2016, 08:29 PM

Tango3,

After you have studied the luger a bit, you will realize that the striker with its attached firing pin is retracted when the pistol is charged, so no worries there.

The sear engagement lug and the sear bar are substantial steel items, and not likely to shear; add to that that the sear bar can't move when the safety is applied(a "sear blocking safety"), it is as safe as any cocked and locked firearm, IMO.

Actually there is much more metal engaged in a luger than the thin sear nose and hammer notch on a 1911.

As to leather, depending on what you want that can be a challenge, but a luger will fit many styles of 1911 holster!
Try it, one of my favorites is a 1911 lined flap holster, now holding a 4" bbl luger.

Not exactly CC, but you get my drift; a Yaqui slide comes to mind as an option.

The original Mauser grip screws are over 40 years old now, and like any NOS parts, pricey.
You can find repro made screws at Sarco and Numrich for about $6 each, but do order them with something else or shipping is high for just two screws

Tango3 · 09-17-2016, 06:28 PM

Thanks, rhuff, useful information.

Steve, thanks for the historical data.

DonV,
I stand corrected on my unfounded opinion on the conceal and carry ability of the Luger. Seems that mechanically it IS every bit as safe to pack Condition 1. The weapon continues to surprise me.

A Yaqui did come to mind as I pondered a previous post of yours. It bears some further thought. I have a go to custom holster maker in Tennessee that has made a holster for me in the past for the Baer Heavyweight Monolith with its unusual frame. I plan on talking with him, too, about coming up with, say, a pancake style in black elephant, sweat strap, trigger cover, cant to be determined due to the Parabellum's steeper(?) than the 1911's cant. I'll report back as I know more.

The nformation about screws is appreciated. I'm getting the impression that OEM parts are a bit pricey!

Eric

hayhugh · 09-20-2016, 05:42 AM

Eric, not sure which grip handle you have, Regular German type or the straight Swiss? If you have the Swiss I recommend going to eBay and for @ $30.00 you can get the red Swiss grips that fit without any filling or adjustments and they feel great.

hayhugh · 09-20-2016, 05:54 AM

Eric if you have the Swiss type handle I recommend the grips I bought on eBay. No filing or adjustments needed.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=36002

rhuff · 09-20-2016, 04:09 PM

I agree 100% with Kurusu about NOT removing the mag pins to routinely clean the inside of your mags. That is not necessary, and will lead to problems.

Tango3 · 09-21-2016, 09:28 PM

Kurusu, rhuff,
Thanks for the mag cleaning information. Will do as suggested, Kurusu. Bought 3 new Mec-gars to use per suggestion. Used them yesterday at the range with the pistol and they worked perfectly. Careful not to slap 'em into the pistol ala 1911s so as not to crack the bases. No need to though since mags seem to easily snap in. Range report hopefully tomorrow. With pictures. Preview: WOW!!!!! What a pistol!

Hayhugh,
Great grip info! I plan on Lugerdoc making a pair for me but sending in the frame for two weeks when I just purchased it and want to shoot it means putting this off a bit. Trouble is, the factory grips, as a number of you pointed out are truly not very comfortable. So...I took your suggestion and just ordered a pair of the reds you suggested. Be here by next Tuesday. Thanks muchly!

Eric

kurusu · 09-22-2016, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tango3

Used them yesterday at the range with the pistol and they worked perfectly. Careful not to slap 'em into the pistol ala 1911s so as not to crack the bases. No need to though since mags seem to easily snap in. Range report hopefully tomorrow. With pictures. Preview: WOW!!!!! What a pistol!

You be very careful from now on. These pistols cause addiction.

Any forum member will tell you the same.

DonVoigt · 09-22-2016, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurusu

You be very careful from now on. These pistols cause addiction.

Any forum member will tell you the same.

It is too late for Tango3, he has been exposed to the virus.

Ron Wood · 09-28-2016, 01:02 AM

You seem to shoot the Luger pretty well.

kurusu · 09-28-2016, 04:04 AM

Good report. Good shooting too.

Only now I fully understand your beef with the grips. I handled one of the interarms this weekend and they are disagreable alright.

Tango3 · 09-28-2016, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurusu

Good report. Good shooting too.

Only now I fully understand your beef with the grips. I handled one of the interarms this weekend and they are disagreable alright.

Strange grips aren't they? I can make 'em work for me if I'm willing to tolerate some minor discomfort, but why do that? Those new grips you see on it in the pictures in my range report, on the other hand, are comfortable, much like what I imagine the grips on pre-WWII Lugers must be like. Gives me additional trigger reach for my length challenged trigger finger, too.

Eric

Tango3 · 09-28-2016, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

You seem to shoot the Luger pretty well.

Thanks, Ron, I try. I was very surprised by the Luger. Very!

Subsequent range trips continue to show improvement (my shooting, not the Luger). What a fun to shoot weapon.

Eric

ithacaartist · 09-28-2016, 01:05 PM

Yup, the coarse checkering and squarish edges make gripping an Interarms with these grips seem like holding on to a rough-cut 2" X 4". The pattern of the checkering was embossed into the skin in the web of my hand.

Jim Solomon, I, and others could round the edges and/or remove the coarse pattern and apply a finer one. Rather than mess with the original grips, I arranged for some case urethane ones and did both to them--much more comfy. Since they wind up like the eBay grips, and considering the time it took to make the changes, the $30 for those is well spent there.

Good shooting by all! All my Lugers probably shoot better than I can...

Tango3 · 09-28-2016, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Yup, the coarse checkering and squarish edges make gripping an Interarms with these grips seem like holding on to a rough-cut 2" X 4". The pattern of the checkering was embossed into the skin in the web of my hand.

Jim Solomon, I, and others could round the edges and/or remove the coarse pattern and apply a finer one. Rather than mess with the original grips, I arranged for some case urethane ones and did both to them--much more comfy. Since they wind up like the eBay grips, and considering the time it took to make the changes, the $30 for those is well spent there.

Good shooting by all! All my Lugers probably shoot better than I can...

David,

I'm in agreement. I thought calling these factory grips 2x4s had to be an exaggeration...until I held the weapon. All of you nailed it! Why would they build 'em that way? Why, that was way before Sponge Bob Square Hands, for the love of Mike.

Yes, the EBay substitutes I purchased look color and checkering-wise just like the ones you made and are synthetic to boot. Taken the pistol and new grips twice to the range now and yup, very nice on the hand.

Oh, I feel as you do, too, my Parabellum is more precise than I'm accurate. In this case, I'm fine playing second fiddle! Thinking of taking them to an informal tourney this coming weekend to use.

Eric

rhuff · 09-28-2016, 05:30 PM

Sound like to me that we have another person that is "hook-line-and sinker" addicted to Lugers.....good on ya!! There are many worse things to be addicted to then lugers. These handguns put a smile on my face at the range also. My Parabellum is the P08(non-Swiss) version and the grips were terrible!! Since there are no grip alternatives for this gun, I sent my grips to Hugh Clark and he did his magic on them. Now, they feel like a Luger should.

09-15-2016, 05:39 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,925 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,139 Times in 1,520 Posts	Can anyone verify that the standard Luger magazines (used with the P.08 like those mentioned above) will fit and work properly with the Interarms Parabellum pistols? I think I remember that there is a difference, but am not sure... __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-16-2016, 08:29 PM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Tango3, After you have studied the luger a bit, you will realize that the striker with its attached firing pin is retracted when the pistol is charged, so no worries there. The sear engagement lug and the sear bar are substantial steel items, and not likely to shear; add to that that the sear bar can't move when the safety is applied(a "sear blocking safety"), it is as safe as any cocked and locked firearm, IMO. Actually there is much more metal engaged in a luger than the thin sear nose and hammer notch on a 1911. As to leather, depending on what you want that can be a challenge, but a luger will fit many styles of 1911 holster! Try it, one of my favorites is a 1911 lined flap holster, now holding a 4" bbl luger. Not exactly CC, but you get my drift; a Yaqui slide comes to mind as an option. The original Mauser grip screws are over 40 years old now, and like any NOS parts, pricey. You can find repro made screws at Sarco and Numrich for about $6 each, but do order them with something else or shipping is high for just two screws __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-28-2016, 01:02 AM	#14
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09-15-2016, 11:07 PM	#1
Tango3 User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Michigan (Native American for "too much winter") Posts: 51 Thanks: 90 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Richard, I haven't had the chance to field strip the Parabellum yet but have read and viewed YouTube videos and it looks easy. I'll let ya know, hope to find time to do it tomorrow so as to take it to the range on Saturday. "...although some are beautiful machines." Are you intimating that Ps are beautiful and 11s aren't? Just messin' wid ya. I do find my 11s beautiful ('specially my Les Baer Commanche Heavyweight Monolith) but I must say that they have a much more "industrial" beauty than the sleek beauty of the P-08. I'm surprised by the number of you who aren't anal about the meticulous cleaning of these close tolerance weapons. In the 1911 world, tightly constructed (close tolerance) means clean it carefully and frequently as opposed to a loosely fit weapon although I've run as much as 750 rounds through my tightly fitted Baer Monolith during one range trip with just occasional oil with no problems. Constant 11 forum argument between the cleanly group and the leave 'em filthy group. Since I CC my weapons, clean is how I roll. Thanks for the Mec-gar suggestion. I've purchased and received three of 'em thinking that the factory mags might have issues with those, to me, goofy plastic bases in that they might be brittle with age. Looks like these bases have pins that have to be punched out to replace them that could be a real pain in the butt. Why don't they just make them out of metal to start with. I know...cost but it's a cost I'd gladly pay. + on using 115-124 gr FMJ round nose. Since it won't be a defense pistol for me, no need to fool with hollow points. Thanks, Eric

09-17-2016, 06:28 PM	#7
Tango3 User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Michigan (Native American for "too much winter") Posts: 51 Thanks: 90 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Thanks, rhuff, useful information. Steve, thanks for the historical data. DonV, I stand corrected on my unfounded opinion on the conceal and carry ability of the Luger. Seems that mechanically it IS every bit as safe to pack Condition 1. The weapon continues to surprise me. A Yaqui did come to mind as I pondered a previous post of yours. It bears some further thought. I have a go to custom holster maker in Tennessee that has made a holster for me in the past for the Baer Heavyweight Monolith with its unusual frame. I plan on talking with him, too, about coming up with, say, a pancake style in black elephant, sweat strap, trigger cover, cant to be determined due to the Parabellum's steeper(?) than the 1911's cant. I'll report back as I know more. The nformation about screws is appreciated. I'm getting the impression that OEM parts are a bit pricey! Eric

09-20-2016, 05:42 AM	#8
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 898 Thanks: 893 Thanked 514 Times in 276 Posts	Eric, not sure which grip handle you have, Regular German type or the straight Swiss? If you have the Swiss I recommend going to eBay and for @ $30.00 you can get the red Swiss grips that fit without any filling or adjustments and they feel great.

09-20-2016, 05:54 AM	#9
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 898 Thanks: 893 Thanked 514 Times in 276 Posts	Eric if you have the Swiss type handle I recommend the grips I bought on eBay. No filing or adjustments needed. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=36002

09-20-2016, 04:09 PM	#10
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,315 Thanks: 2,748 Thanked 998 Times in 733 Posts	I agree 100% with Kurusu about NOT removing the mag pins to routinely clean the inside of your mags. That is not necessary, and will lead to problems.

09-21-2016, 09:28 PM	#11
Tango3 User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Michigan (Native American for "too much winter") Posts: 51 Thanks: 90 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Kurusu, rhuff, Thanks for the mag cleaning information. Will do as suggested, Kurusu. Bought 3 new Mec-gars to use per suggestion. Used them yesterday at the range with the pistol and they worked perfectly. Careful not to slap 'em into the pistol ala 1911s so as not to crack the bases. No need to though since mags seem to easily snap in. Range report hopefully tomorrow. With pictures. Preview: WOW!!!!! What a pistol! Hayhugh, Great grip info! I plan on Lugerdoc making a pair for me but sending in the frame for two weeks when I just purchased it and want to shoot it means putting this off a bit. Trouble is, the factory grips, as a number of you pointed out are truly not very comfortable. So...I took your suggestion and just ordered a pair of the reds you suggested. Be here by next Tuesday. Thanks muchly! Eric

09-28-2016, 04:04 AM	#15
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Good report. Good shooting too. Only now I fully understand your beef with the grips. I handled one of the interarms this weekend and they are disagreable alright.

09-28-2016, 05:30 PM	#20
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,315 Thanks: 2,748 Thanked 998 Times in 733 Posts	Sound like to me that we have another person that is "hook-line-and sinker" addicted to Lugers.....good on ya!! There are many worse things to be addicted to then lugers. These handguns put a smile on my face at the range also. My Parabellum is the P08(non-Swiss) version and the grips were terrible!! Since there are no grip alternatives for this gun, I sent my grips to Hugh Clark and he did his magic on them. Now, they feel like a Luger should.