Luger 7313 -- An Update

[1933 FORD NUT]

Wayne , Had looked at them and not really conclusive . Trying to figure out the early and late numbering on the side plate . Normal late " inside " numbering looks OK . Does it have a four pointed star in the front frame well ?

Very interesting HK and again CONGRATS .

[Oldreb]

Dave, I do not see a 4 pointed star ( or anyother type star) in the front frame well or anywhere else on the gun -- inside or out. The "13" font on the outside of the side plate is a bit larger than the "13" font on the inside of the side plate. The outside font looks to me to be a slightly different style than the inside. You can see this difference in Michael's pictures. As for the outside "13" being "on top" of the bluing or "under the bluing" to me it looks the same as the "13" on the inside of the side plate but I will admit I have never made this type of evaluation before. Hope this helps !! Good Stuff --- I appreciate your interest and welcome your comments.

Best Regards,
Wayne

[guns3545]

Wayne,

What I believe is being referred to is the Krieghoff final acceptance stamp. No final acceptance stamp was placed on early guns up to about SN 4000.

But, starting around SN4000, HK started doing a FINAL inspection. They initially used the number 7on the right frame under the grip. Then in late 1936 and going though the 1940 guns, HK placed a Six-pointed star on the right side of the frame under the grips.

There is some sort of mark showing on the photos but I cannot make out details.

FYI, still later small characters in the frame well were used.

John

[1933 FORD NUT]

Originally Posted by guns3545

Wayne,

What I believe is being referred to is the Krieghoff final acceptance stamp. No final acceptance stamp was placed on early guns up to about SN 4000.

But, starting around SN4000, HK started doing a FINAL inspection. They initially used the number 7on the right frame under the grip. Then in late 1936 and going though the 1940 guns, HK placed a Six-pointed star on the right side of the frame under the grips.

There is some sort of mark showing on the photos but I cannot make out details.

FYI, still later small characters in the frame well were used.

John

John , It's a " 7 " on this one . The six pointed star [ pic 1 ] would be expected by this ones birthday and that is part of why the question about the 4 point reject [ pic 2 ] star in the front frame well was asked . Gibson page 111 on that . Never documented it in the past but it seems when you see that 4 point reject star there the gun has some oddity on it .

I don't dislike this gun and am not afraid of it but I am definitely curious about the external side plate numbers . Simpsons has a 1937 that has external numbers electro penciled on several parts and their explanation is " unit lever armorer " applied .

That is the reason for wondering if the outside side plate number is through the blue or under it . As stated the fonts look different but pics are not ideal for checking that . Straight on clear inside and outside pics of the side plate would sure help .

Wayne , John is one that you should pay close attention to when he responds . IMHO on that of course but I feel that way . Dave

[guns3545]

Originally Posted by guns3545

Wayne,

What I believe is being referred to is the Krieghoff final acceptance stamp. No final acceptance stamp was placed on early guns up to about SN 4000.

But, starting around SN4000, HK started doing a FINAL inspection. They initially used the number 7on the right frame under the grip. Then in late 1936 and going though the 1940 guns, HK placed a Six-pointed star on the right side of the frame under the grips.

There is some sort of mark showing on the photos but I cannot make out details.

FYI, still later small characters in the frame well were used.

John

Wayne and Dave,

Just FYI, I took a little time and enlarged and lightened the area on the frame under the right grip panel.

The HK final inspector's mark is there. It is a 7. And that is correct for the period.

As mentioned, shortly thereafter HK moved to the six-pointed star indicating final inspection.

Hope this helps.

The mixed form of serialization is anomalous, but nothing surprises me about early HKs or later ones, for that matter.

John


WHOOPS!!!! Sorry Dave, did not see your post. Apologies for stepping on it.

JR

[Oldreb]

John and Dave , Thanks for your time and interest. I am in the woods right now so I do not have #7313 in front of me but there is a "7" on the right side of the frame under the grip. It is near the top of spring chamber best I remember. I will photograph straight on photo's of it (7) and the outside of the side plate and do my best to post tonight when I get in. Dave, looking at your photo of the "4 point star" there is for sure not one present. Not sure about what something that has been "electro penciled" looks like but I will check out the Simpson's 1937 and compare. Thanks for the information -- sure making for a thought provoking and enjoyable day in the log woods !!

Best Regards,
Wayne