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Sieger · 07-27-2015, 01:51 PM

GT,

What are you planning to use for a recoil spring, as you are adding a significant amount of weight to your upper?

Lugers don't need heavy or fat barrels to shoot accurately. Improving the sights and trigger pull should be enough.

Just my experience.

Sieger

kurusu · 07-28-2015, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sieger

GT,

What are you planning to use for a recoil spring, as you are adding a significant amount of weight to your upper?

Lugers don't need heavy or fat barrels to shoot accurately. Improving the sights and trigger pull should be enough.

Just my experience.

Sieger

Ditto.

G.T. · 08-01-2015, 01:12 AM

Of course you fellows are correct!......

..... A heavy barrel probably has less effect on accuracy, but maybe more on balance and feel then a standard issue barrel, but, the main reason I'm going this route is cost! and flexibility? It takes some serious machining and mill work to cut the taper, index and mill out the front sight base!.....

.. I'm not going to ask a fortune for these, and the potential is excellent to build on.... But, for as far as we have gotten! Credit is certainly due to a few fellows on this forum, Olle has done an excellent job on this latest prototype, and the next one will be even more concise as to what we are trying to accomplish? Rich Brennan has done wonders on making and correcting extractor cuts and feed ramp cuts, and has been a trailblazer in this regard, I can't thank him enough....

... It all trickles down until finally it spills over and we accomplish something? I know this much, trying nothing, gets you no where, with either success or failure.... I love the quote M. Zelany (Sp.? sorry!) loosely stated, "Try, fail, try again, fail better" I've found that is probably more correct than most quotes about life efforts?... More to come, lots happening!...

...BTW, I'mmmm Bacccckkkkk! Best to all, til...lat'r...GT

G.T. · 08-01-2015, 01:51 PM

I have a lot of 9MM mainsprings, and there is quite a bit of variance in those?? I'll start with a WW1 DWM 9MM spring for a standard 4" and we'll adjust from there?... I hope it works right outt'a the bucket! ......

....Best to all, til...lat'r...GT......

kurusu · 08-03-2015, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by G.T.

Of course you fellows are correct!......

..... A heavy barrel probably has less effect on accuracy, but maybe more on balance and feel then a standard issue barrel, but, the main reason I'm going this route is cost! and flexibility? It takes some serious machining and mill work to cut the taper, index and mill out the front sight base!.....

.. I'm not going to ask a fortune for these, and the potential is excellent to build on.... But, for as far as we have gotten! Credit is certainly due to a few fellows on this forum, Olle has done an excellent job on this latest prototype, and the next one will be even more concise as to what we are trying to accomplish? Rich Brennan has done wonders on making and correcting extractor cuts and feed ramp cuts, and has been a trailblazer in this regard, I can't thank him enough....

... It all trickles down until finally it spills over and we accomplish something? I know this much, trying nothing, gets you no where, with either success or failure.... I love the quote M. Zelany (Sp.? sorry!) loosely stated, "Try, fail, try again, fail better" I've found that is probably more correct than most quotes about life efforts?... More to come, lots happening!...

...BTW, I'mmmm Bacccckkkkk! Best to all, til...lat'r...GT

I'll tell you a secret. The balance of the issue P.08 suits me just the way it is. Better sights would be another story though (I ain't getting any younger).

G.T. · 08-03-2015, 01:59 PM

Yes! I certainly hear you on the eye sight and age... With my vision, I don't really need sights anyway! .....

.... As for accuracy, everyone has a little different take on weight and balance, apart from barrel vibrations, which are probably minimal in a 4" barrel, the heavy barrel is also supposed to dampen movement and control.... Kinda like throwing a ping pong ball, a baseball and a bowling ball across the street, only one is going to work correctly.. and that is the balance you're after... What ever is correct for you? I personal just like to hear the gun go off!

Best to you, til...lat'r...GT....

kurusu · 08-04-2015, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick W.

I have often thought that there was more to the Luger than oem type things. Have to admit I admire the lines of the 4 3/4" slender barrel in a 30 Luger though.

Funny thing. The 4 3/4" .30 and the 4" 9mm have about the same balance. There is a slight advantage for the .30 because (at least in my M2) the vertical back face of the front sight and the longer sight radius give a better aiming picture.

On the other hand good .30 ammo don't grow on trees.

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kurusu

I'll tell you a secret. The balance of the issue P.08 suits me just the way it is. Better sights would be another story though (I ain't getting any younger).

remember, that's your secret, not mine

I like a 5 or 6 inch luger for looks and feel....

kurusu · 08-04-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

remember, that's your secret, not mine

I like a 5 or 6 inch luger for looks and feel....

You're right of course.

Me, for looks shooting and feel, I like the 5" and 4" better.

Olle · 08-04-2015, 11:41 AM

Balance and looks are both a matter of personal taste. Personally, I like a little bit of weight up front for target shooting. If it’s “just right”, it will require enough strain to give it stability, but not enough to make you shaky after a few rounds. It also reduces muzzle flip and makes for more accurate follow-up shots in rapid fire drills. Other people (especially the young’uns who still have steady hands) may like a lighter and more neutrally balanced pistol better. And of course, some wouldn’t even look twice at a bull barrel just because it’s not an original style. There’s no right or wrong, it all boils down to your own opinion, and like Dirty Harry said: “Everybody has one”.

08-01-2015, 01:12 AM	#3
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,540 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 3,735 Times in 1,019 Posts	As much as I hate to admit! Of course you fellows are correct!........... A heavy barrel probably has less effect on accuracy, but maybe more on balance and feel then a standard issue barrel, but, the main reason I'm going this route is cost! and flexibility? It takes some serious machining and mill work to cut the taper, index and mill out the front sight base!....... I'm not going to ask a fortune for these, and the potential is excellent to build on.... But, for as far as we have gotten! Credit is certainly due to a few fellows on this forum, Olle has done an excellent job on this latest prototype, and the next one will be even more concise as to what we are trying to accomplish? Rich Brennan has done wonders on making and correcting extractor cuts and feed ramp cuts, and has been a trailblazer in this regard, I can't thank him enough....... It all trickles down until finally it spills over and we accomplish something? I know this much, trying nothing, gets you no where, with either success or failure.... I love the quote M. Zelany (Sp.? sorry!) loosely stated, "Try, fail, try again, fail better" I've found that is probably more correct than most quotes about life efforts?... More to come, lots happening!......BTW, I'mmmm Bacccckkkkk! Best to all, til...lat'r...GT

08-01-2015, 01:51 PM	#4
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,540 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 3,735 Times in 1,019 Posts	As for springs! I have a lot of 9MM mainsprings, and there is quite a bit of variance in those?? I'll start with a WW1 DWM 9MM spring for a standard 4" and we'll adjust from there?... I hope it works right outt'a the bucket! ..........Best to all, til...lat'r...GT......

08-03-2015, 01:59 PM	#6
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,540 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 3,735 Times in 1,019 Posts	weight? Yes! I certainly hear you on the eye sight and age... With my vision, I don't really need sights anyway! ......... As for accuracy, everyone has a little different take on weight and balance, apart from barrel vibrations, which are probably minimal in a 4" barrel, the heavy barrel is also supposed to dampen movement and control.... Kinda like throwing a ping pong ball, a baseball and a bowling ball across the street, only one is going to work correctly.. and that is the balance you're after... What ever is correct for you? I personal just like to hear the gun go off! Best to you, til...lat'r...GT....

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07-27-2015, 01:51 PM	#1
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,154 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	GT, What are you planning to use for a recoil spring, as you are adding a significant amount of weight to your upper? Lugers don't need heavy or fat barrels to shoot accurately. Improving the sights and trigger pull should be enough. Just my experience. Sieger

08-04-2015, 11:41 AM	#10
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 664 Times in 318 Posts	Balance and looks are both a matter of personal taste. Personally, I like a little bit of weight up front for target shooting. If it’s “just right”, it will require enough strain to give it stability, but not enough to make you shaky after a few rounds. It also reduces muzzle flip and makes for more accurate follow-up shots in rapid fire drills. Other people (especially the young’uns who still have steady hands) may like a lighter and more neutrally balanced pistol better. And of course, some wouldn’t even look twice at a bull barrel just because it’s not an original style. There’s no right or wrong, it all boils down to your own opinion, and like Dirty Harry said: “Everybody has one”.