Another Circle S, the mystery is safe, more questions! - Page 2

Dwight Gruber · 11-14-2015, 03:26 PM

Norme,

I respectfully, and strenuously, disagree about the "1921 property mark." The recognized 1920 property mark is an officially pronounced artifact from a specific time and for specific circumstance. I am aware of the occasional 1921 mis-application. The error of their presence in no way legitimizes the concept of a "1921 property marking", and describing them in any way other than an anomaly serves only to confuse the topic's history, a fact which RIA is attempting to take advantage of here.

I will go so far as to opine that the pistol which Don has presented has in fact been boosted by the addition of a fantasy 1921 chamber mark and its attendant "explanation", with the intent of increasing its value.

--Dwight

wlyon · 11-14-2015, 08:58 PM

I had a 1914 commercial ,with commercial and military serial number placement and a circle S. Bill

Don M · 11-15-2015, 06:19 PM

I agree with Dwight that it would be misleading to call this and similar markings a "1921 property mark." If it is legitimate, it is a misunderstanding of the 1920 property marking instructions.

I too am curious about the "25" stamp.

DonVoigt · 11-16-2015, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Don M

I agree with Dwight that it would be misleading to call this and similar markings a "1921 property mark." If it is legitimate, it is a misunderstanding of the 1920 property marking instructions.

I too am curious about the "25" stamp.

I was/am at a loss of what to call it, it is not a date; nor am I sure it is a spurious marking.

I perhaps should have called it a "possible 1921 stamping error in marking of the 1920 property mark or a spurious 1921 property marking".

ithacaartist · 11-16-2015, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I was/am at a loss of what to call it, it is not a date; nor am I sure it is a spurious marking.

I perhaps should have called it a "possible 1921 stamping error in marking of the 1920 property mark or a spurious 1921 property marking".

Sounds good, Don. I'll bet there is a single German word for it!

DonVoigt · 11-17-2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Sounds good, Don. I'll bet there is a single German word for it!

Yes, one of about 29 syllables!

Dwight Gruber · 11-16-2015, 09:32 PM

Don,

You were asking a good question based on the information you had at hand. Don't over-think it.

--Dwight

11-14-2015, 08:58 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,243 Thanked 2,658 Times in 988 Posts	I had a 1914 commercial ,with commercial and military serial number placement and a circle S. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-15-2015, 06:19 PM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	I agree with Dwight that it would be misleading to call this and similar markings a "1921 property mark." If it is legitimate, it is a misunderstanding of the 1920 property marking instructions. I too am curious about the "25" stamp. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

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11-14-2015, 03:26 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Norme, I respectfully, and strenuously, disagree about the "1921 property mark." The recognized 1920 property mark is an officially pronounced artifact from a specific time and for specific circumstance. I am aware of the occasional 1921 mis-application. The error of their presence in no way legitimizes the concept of a "1921 property marking", and describing them in any way other than an anomaly serves only to confuse the topic's history, a fact which RIA is attempting to take advantage of here. I will go so far as to opine that the pistol which Don has presented has in fact been boosted by the addition of a fantasy 1921 chamber mark and its attendant "explanation", with the intent of increasing its value. --Dwight

11-16-2015, 09:32 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Don, You were asking a good question based on the information you had at hand. Don't over-think it. --Dwight