Newbie With First Luger:

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by gvf

I saw my gun today but in NY State permits are not a general carte blanche to Carry/Shoot any gun but only those guns one owns which are put on the Permit.

Can you dry fire these?

The procedure actually varies by county in NYS. Some accept electronic receipts from the transferring dealer, which can save a trip to the county clerk. ...And some do not. For those counties, you'd need to pay for the gun to get a receipt, register it and add it to the permit--which is what generates a purchase coupon, then return to the dealer to turn in the coupon and have the background check, after which it is transferred to you.

Mine, Schuyler, gives out a spare purchase coupon ahead of time so that a purchase/transfer can be made before the gun is actually registered or put on my permit. The receipt from the dealer covers this aspect temporarily, for transit home with the gun. What I usually do is obtain the serial number from the seller's pics and register it before it arrives, adding it to my permit. When I pick it up at the dealer's, I give him the coupon, get the background check, and take 'er home--just one trip. I'm always one coupon ahead, so free to make a purchase from any dealer in-state--before the paperwork--and take the gun home immediately, to be registered at the next opportunity.

[gvf]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

The procedure actually varies by county in NYS. Some accept electronic receipts from the transferring dealer, which can save a trip to the county clerk. ...And some do not. For those counties, you'd need to pay for the gun to get a receipt, register it and add it to the permit--which is what generates a purchase coupon, then return to the dealer to turn in the coupon and have the background check, after which it is transferred to you.

Mine, Schuyler, gives out a spare purchase coupon ahead of time so that a purchase/transfer can be made before the gun is actually registered or put on my permit. The receipt from the dealer covers this aspect temporarily, for transit home with the gun. What I usually do is obtain the serial number from the seller's pics and register it before it arrives, adding it to my permit. When I pick it up at the dealer's, I give him the coupon, get the background check, and take 'er home--just one trip. I'm always one coupon ahead, so free to make a purchase from any dealer in-state--before the paperwork--and take the gun home immediately, to be registered at the next opportunity.

I live in Erie County and have never heard of anything but physically going the Permit Office after filling out transfer forms at FFL and that's where you pay for the FFL service, whatever it may be.

What you describe sounds like a lot less like a pain. Wish we had it but don't think so. Next time I'll check.

Thanks
Jerry
"gvf"

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by gvf

I live in Erie County and have never heard of anything but physically going the Permit Office after filling out transfer forms at FFL and that's where you pay for the FFL service, whatever it may be.

I'm in Niagara County and our process is exactly like Dave describes here -

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

...you'd need to pay for the gun to get a receipt, register it and add it to the permit--which is what generates a purchase coupon, then return to the dealer to turn in the coupon and have the background check, after which it is transferred to you....

...And only then can you take it home. If bought out of state and shipped to your FFL receiver, no state/county sales tax [8%].

We pay the FFL receiver for the FFL transfer & NICS check, not the permit clerk. Registration is $3.00 per visit (any number of additions/subtractions). We just changed over to the plastic wallet-sized permit cards. And they keep changing them (thumbprint, no thumbprint; full page, bordered; etc).

Is Dianne Arnett still the Erie County Pistol Permit Clerk??? Or one of the clerks???

[gvf]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I'm in Niagara County and our process is exactly like Dave describes here -



...And only then can you take it home. If bought out of state and shipped to your FFL receiver, no state/county sales tax [8%].

We pay the FFL receiver for the FFL transfer & NICS check, not the permit clerk. Registration is $3.00 per visit (any number of additions/subtractions). We just changed over to the plastic wallet-sized permit cards. And they keep changing them (thumbprint, no thumbprint; full page, bordered; etc).

Is Dianne Arnett still the Erie County Pistol Permit Clerk??? Or one of the clerks???

I've never seen her unless she's at a desk. They're used to be a real nice guy who seemed in charge, African American older man, couldn't be nicer. I find all those who work in the Permit Office are very friendly and helpful. Yes we pay the Permit Office the same for paperwork. We just have the plastic card with photo and profession, no prints, and any County restrictions that are put on it. Mine is "Unrestricted".

For those not familiar with NY State Permits, the State Permit is for Carry, but counties are given leeway to put restrictions on permits, like "Target and Hunting Only". They are county ordinances not state gun law. Some counties use them, some don't, and some, like mine, after a year of a restriction are pretty willing to take that off and the Permit becomes Unrestricted.

[Tom Nowling]

Originally Posted by gvf

I've never seen her unless she's at a desk. They're used to be a real nice guy who seemed in charge, African American older man, couldn't be nicer. I find all those who work in the Permit Office are very friendly and helpful. Yes we pay the Permit Office the same for paperwork. We just have the plastic card with photo and profession, no prints, and any County restrictions that are put on it. Mine is "Unrestricted".

For those not familiar with NY State Permits, the State Permit is for Carry, but counties are given leeway to put restrictions on permits, like "Target and Hunting Only". They are county ordinances not state gun law. Some counties use them, some don't, and some, like mine, after a year of a restriction are pretty willing to take that off and the Permit becomes Unrestricted.

Wow..I cannot believe the hoops you guys have to jump through! So glad I live in Fla!!

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Tom Nowling

Wow..I cannot believe the hoops you guys have to jump through! So glad I live in Fla!!

They keep changing the permits themselves. I attached a scan of the old permit with attached purchase coupon (new permit underneath). Up until a few years ago, this was what you carried. Too big for your wallet, and if you folded it and it wore in half, it was not considered legal. Now we have a plastic wallet sized card. It has a color photo, and until recently had your thumbprint. They eliminated the thumbprint.

They also eliminated your keeping a purchase coupon to carry for a future purchase. Now the couplon is issued to you only after producing a receipt from the seller [or FFL receiver] and must be given to the seller before you can receive the handgun [and after the NICS check].

In the past, you were also encouraged to have your spouse get a permit and have all your handguns put on it. The police will receive notice of your death and be on your doorstep within 2 days to confiscate your handguns. Now, the spouse can no longer have your handguns on their permit. Or receive them after your death. Transfer has to be through an FFL holder with a NICS chack.

You could also get additional purchase coupons to take to a dealer or gun show. I still have several old coupons - no longer allowed.

New York State: If there's not enough criminals, the State will manufacture them.

/rant

[gvf]

Originally Posted by Tom Nowling

Wow..I cannot believe the hoops you guys have to jump through! So glad I live in Fla!!

So, in order to register my new gun, I drove for a half-hour from my home to my range and store which I use as my FFL dealer. They had already been sent the gun by the Seller's FFL (which was his store). There I went through various paperwork and was NICS-Checked. Then I drove for 45-50 min to the Pistol Permit Office downtown and turned in the paperwork from the FFL Dealer and the Pistol Permit Office gave my Release Coupon and my permit back now with the Luger and serial number printed on the back of the card. Then I drove the 45-50 min back to my range and store FFL Dealer, gave the paperwork from the Permit Office plus my permit with the Luger on it to them. They gave it back and Then I was given my gun legally in a ritual blood-letting ceremony where my blood is mixed with the blood of my FFL Dealer while range-employees chant.

Then I went home with my "new: Luger.

(Of course the Blood Letting Ceremony was a joke.)

My initial wait for my Permit when I got it in 2007 was 9 months.


With all of this though, I actually like a lot of my state's regulations though some are nullified by something out of NY's control. But that gets into political hot potatoes which very happily these forums seem free of.

I think the electronic registration for guns our colleague wrote about is very good and my county will likely get it if some others have it now.