Newbie With First Luger:

[gvf]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

In the Mauser Parabellum (and our book), there is very strong evidence that these were made for the Riff contract, but it did not work out.

Thanks so much. I'd like to buy your book. Where can I purchase it?

Thanks again,

Jerry
("gvf")

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by gvf

Thanks so much. I'd like to buy your book. Where can I purchase it?

Ed states -

Edward Tinker
************
Veteran Bring Backs Vol III 2012
Co-Author of Police Lugers 2012
Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I & Vet Bring Backs Vol II, a collection of stories on guns & equipment brought back by GI's.
Co-Author of the book Simson Lugers
Have all books available for purchase

...And it's Ed Tinker AND Dwight Gruber's book...

You could write a review of it...I Searched but couldn't find one...

[gvf]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Ed states -

Edward Tinker
************
Veteran Bring Backs Vol III 2012
Co-Author of Police Lugers 2012
Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I & Vet Bring Backs Vol II, a collection of stories on guns & equipment brought back by GI's.
Co-Author of the book Simson Lugers
Have all books available for purchase

...And it's Ed Tinker AND Dwight Gruber's book...

You could write a review of it...I Searched but couldn't find one...

If "you have all books available for purchase" just pm me with details of payment etc.

thanks
jerry "gvf"

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by gvf

If "you have all books available for purchase" just pm me with details of payment etc.

thanks
jerry "gvf"

That's Ed Tinker's quote, not mine...It's his signature...Included with his every post...You can contact him at ed_tinker@hotmail.com ...Don't bother trying to PM him as the Private Message system here is broken...

[Dwight Gruber]

By the time the "Riff contract" blank toggle Lugers were ready to ship, the Riff tribes had been defeated and their revolution was over. There was no one to accept (or presumably pay for!) the guns.

--Dwight

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

By the time the "Riff contract" blank toggle Lugers were ready to ship, the Riff tribes had been defeated and their revolution was over. There was no one to accept (or presumably pay for!) the guns.

--Dwight

Extract from Walters' "The Luger Book"...

[Don M]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Extract from Walters' "The Luger Book"...

There's considerable evidence that the blank toggle pistols were delivered to the police from BKIW in 1929-30.

[gvf]

Originally Posted by Don M

There's considerable evidence that the blank toggle pistols were delivered to the police from BKIW in 1929-30.

And some of then could have before that been earmarked for the Riff
Contract, and when that fell through have gone to the police?

I'm trying to weave the various strands of the likely history of my Luger into one. Might not be possible though - a long time ago.

[Don M]

Originally Posted by gvf

And some of then could have before that been earmarked for the Riff
Contract, and when that fell through have gone to the police?

Correct. It is generally believed that all or nearly all went to the police.

[gvf]

I just saw something on a pix of my about-to-be-delivered Luger that made my stomach muscles tighten. The photo of the barrel end shows it chipped, or worn asymmetrically:


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And the one thing I neglected to ask the Seller about, of course, was the rifling in the bore. Since I've never owned or examined a gun with this kind of fault in the barrel-end I don't know what it means as to the bores internal condition. On a hunch I'd think they were not necessarily connected.

And If it meant nothing to the internals I wouldn't care. I don't often look at my gun from the barrel end.
WHadya think?

Thanks

[MFC]

It is the lands and grooves of the rifling you see. Nothing wrong.

[gvf]

After you look at some meaningless visual pattern for awhile you can think you're seeing something intentional. Perhaps this is what's going on here but it does look to me when you blow-up the photo of the left side of the gun and photo-edit it there is writing:



In the square of color, looks like "NE" with a column of other smaller letters the the left of that:

O
A
O
etc.

On the other hand, it's getting late.

[mrerick]

The muzzle of rust blued Lugers is generally in the white. As mentioned, you've been looking at the end of the lands and grooves in the barrel. That said, the profile of the barrel crown looks unusual, and it may have been re-crowned at some point.

You should wait until you have the gun in hand and can take some good sharp closeup pictures before you speculate more. Take them using a camera with a closeup / macro setting and take the pictures in shaded natural sunlight without using a flash. Use a tripod and the self timer to keep the camera steady. If you have a SLR, you can take even better pictures.

Marc

[gvf]

Originally Posted by mrerick

The muzzle of rust blued Lugers is generally in the white. As mentioned, you've been looking at the end of the lands and grooves in the barrel. That said, the profile of the barrel crown looks unusual, and it may have been re-crowned at some point.

You should wait until you have the gun in hand and can take some good sharp closeup pictures before you speculate more. Take them using a camera with a closeup / macro setting and take the pictures in shaded natural sunlight without using a flash. Use a tripod and the self timer to keep the camera steady. If you have a SLR, you can take even better pictures.

Marc

Thanks I will take photos and as per your suggestions. May take a bit of time though. I just bought a new digital camera (I usually use film) and I haven't learned it yet. As you know, digital cameras have manuals the size of the Manhattan Yellow Pages.

[gvf]

That's great info about the Riff Contract. But it isn't known which BKIWs were going to be shipped. That right? And second some here believe the gun I bought is one of them?

You guys know so much about Lugers it's amazing!

[gvf]

My gun is in, was delivered Monday to my FFL. Fast shipping.

I came up with a couple of different "manuals", although the first does not deal in field-stripping. For that I've bookmarked a video on YouTube that's good.

Any other manuals you know of that are particularly good for the P08. That's what I used, a search for type of gun. I imagine there are more available than for one manufacture. Besides, it is not known with absolute certainty who the manufacturer was for mine. Seems either a BKIW or Mauser.

[gvf]

I saw my gun today but in NY State permits are not a general carte blanche to Carry/Shoot any gun but only those guns one owns which are put on the Permit. So I saw and handled it at my FFL dealer's and tomorrow (Thurs.) will complete the paperwork at the Permit Office and then I take possession of the gun.

I'll post more when I have it and a bit after that post photos. It is darker blue than the Seller's photos, the mag is steel colored and I see no number, the parts shown in the Seller's photos were all stamped "85".

The gun looks very good, high degree of finish left etc and it does cycle properly.

Can you dry fire these?

More later.

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by gvf

I saw my gun today but in NY State permits are not a general carte blanche to Carry/Shoot any gun but only those guns one owns which are put on the Permit.

Can you dry fire these?

The procedure actually varies by county in NYS. Some accept electronic receipts from the transferring dealer, which can save a trip to the county clerk. ...And some do not. For those counties, you'd need to pay for the gun to get a receipt, register it and add it to the permit--which is what generates a purchase coupon, then return to the dealer to turn in the coupon and have the background check, after which it is transferred to you.

Mine, Schuyler, gives out a spare purchase coupon ahead of time so that a purchase/transfer can be made before the gun is actually registered or put on my permit. The receipt from the dealer covers this aspect temporarily, for transit home with the gun. What I usually do is obtain the serial number from the seller's pics and register it before it arrives, adding it to my permit. When I pick it up at the dealer's, I give him the coupon, get the background check, and take 'er home--just one trip. I'm always one coupon ahead, so free to make a purchase from any dealer in-state--before the paperwork--and take the gun home immediately, to be registered at the next opportunity.

[gvf]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

The procedure actually varies by county in NYS. Some accept electronic receipts from the transferring dealer, which can save a trip to the county clerk. ...And some do not. For those counties, you'd need to pay for the gun to get a receipt, register it and add it to the permit--which is what generates a purchase coupon, then return to the dealer to turn in the coupon and have the background check, after which it is transferred to you.

Mine, Schuyler, gives out a spare purchase coupon ahead of time so that a purchase/transfer can be made before the gun is actually registered or put on my permit. The receipt from the dealer covers this aspect temporarily, for transit home with the gun. What I usually do is obtain the serial number from the seller's pics and register it before it arrives, adding it to my permit. When I pick it up at the dealer's, I give him the coupon, get the background check, and take 'er home--just one trip. I'm always one coupon ahead, so free to make a purchase from any dealer in-state--before the paperwork--and take the gun home immediately, to be registered at the next opportunity.

I live in Erie County and have never heard of anything but physically going the Permit Office after filling out transfer forms at FFL and that's where you pay for the FFL service, whatever it may be.

What you describe sounds like a lot less like a pain. Wish we had it but don't think so. Next time I'll check.

Thanks
Jerry
"gvf"

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by gvf

I live in Erie County and have never heard of anything but physically going the Permit Office after filling out transfer forms at FFL and that's where you pay for the FFL service, whatever it may be.

I'm in Niagara County and our process is exactly like Dave describes here -

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

...you'd need to pay for the gun to get a receipt, register it and add it to the permit--which is what generates a purchase coupon, then return to the dealer to turn in the coupon and have the background check, after which it is transferred to you....

...And only then can you take it home. If bought out of state and shipped to your FFL receiver, no state/county sales tax [8%].

We pay the FFL receiver for the FFL transfer & NICS check, not the permit clerk. Registration is $3.00 per visit (any number of additions/subtractions). We just changed over to the plastic wallet-sized permit cards. And they keep changing them (thumbprint, no thumbprint; full page, bordered; etc).

Is Dianne Arnett still the Erie County Pistol Permit Clerk??? Or one of the clerks???