Unclean guns

[CAP Black]

An item of curiosity:
Why is it that most guns that I have purchased are dirty upon arrival. Even most that I have purchased from members of forums. Even ones from collectors who say they have had for many years. They are dry and dirty on both the inside and exterior. Not having had an oily rag applied for many a moon. And yet the common comment is that we are the caretakers of the items to preserve for future generations. I don't mean to take off the patina; for there is a huge difference between cleaning the grime off and scouring.
It is my opinion that the items look and feel so much differently when they are not grimy dirty.
FWIW.
Thanks
Jack

[kzullick]

Jack,
You are so right! I have purchased many guns even from collectors this same way. I guess I was taught differently, my Father always made me completely clean a gun after each use, even if it was only shot once. I have always kept his instruction as routine and passed it on to my sons. No dirty guns in my safe!

[DavidJayUden]

I swear, some guys value "original dirt".
dju

[Edward Tinker]

I think folks put it away and then when its time to sell, they sell it and don't clean ahead of time. I usually swab the bore and wipe it down before I am going to sell it.

That said, I have met many collectors whose thoughts of 'cleaning' it, is complete tear down and cleaning every nook and cranny, even had forum members tell me they take the sear safetys off, safety lever, take the toggle apart, etc.

Thats over the top in my eyes....

And what is dirty to you, may not be to Bob. Whats clean to me, might not be to Bob....

[Patronen]

I bought my First Issue from a gun shop that even though the exterior was clean the bore was dirty like the previous owner had fired it a bit.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

...even had forum members tell me they take the sear safetys off, safety lever...

I posted about my sloppy/loose safety lever on my 1900AE, how I finally took it off and copper-brushed the built-up crud off and now it has tension and locks in each end of its travel...

I am now a firm believer in detail stripping & cleaning Lugers...

[Sergio Natali]

The "bad habit", to me, of leaving guns dirty is something that I've never understood. In other forums where I take part (1911 but especially Glock forums) there are members bragging to clean their guns only after 1000 shots or something like this.
I've always completely cleaned a gun after each use, even if I've only shot it once.
Cleaning it is part of the fun to me.

Sergio

[Edward Tinker]

In the army they insisted on total cleaniness. I was also taught in unit armorer school that more guns were worn out by cleaning than by shooting them

[hayhugh]

I shot competition (big bore/small bore) in the Army. We would practice Monday thru Thursday and have the big match (Camp Perry rules) on Friday. Never cleaned the guns until after the match.

[Curly1]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

The "bad habit", to me, of leaving guns dirty is something that I've never understood. In other forums where I take part (1911 but especially Glock forums) there are members bragging to clean their guns only after 1000 shots or something like this.
I've always completely cleaned a gun after each use, even if I've only shot it once.
Cleaning it is part of the fun to me.

Sergio

I am with you on that one.

Clean and oil/grease after shooting and handling it while cleaning is therapeutic to me.

[DavidJayUden]

Ed:
Don't you suppose that guns damaged in cleaning translates to excess muzzle wear from steel rods and lost parts?

[Curss]

Many years ago, I forgot to clean my K98 after shooting corrosive surplus ammo through it. My poor rifle now has a corroded bore.

Needless to say, I clean my weapons everytime.

[CAP Black]

Most of you all missed the point. There is a huge difference between dirty from firing some rounds and down right grimy from years of crud buildup.
A dirty, filthy gun has a nasty feel to it as well as bad appearance and bad business. I say its a lack of responsibility.
Jack

[Zorba]

I just bought a NAA mini-revolver in .22 short. Previous owner hadn't fired it, but there was powder residue in the chambers and barrel. First thing I did when I got it home was clean it!

I always at least clean the bore and oil the gun. If its been shot "quite a bit" since its last detail strip, I'll do that too.

Like someone else said, cleaning is part of the fun.

[Olle]

On the flip side: I got a great deal on a gun once because "the barrel was bad". I brought it home and spent about an hour cleaning it out, and found that it was perfect. It was so damn dirty that it looked like it was worn out and pitted. So an unclean gun is not always a bad thing.

It's kinda funny though, you see dirty guns at the shows all the time. If you're trying to sell a car, you would more than likely wash it, get rid of all the hamburger wrappers and coke cans, vacuum it and so on. It just makes sense to make your merchandise pretty, it makes it easier to sell and you might very well get more money for it. Still, many people obviously don't want to spend a few minutes on cleaning a gun before taking it to the show.

[Sergio Natali]

David (DavidJayUden)

Of course on must never use steel rods, but only brass ones, with brass brushes that should never be introduced from the muzzle.

[Karl]

Dealers might be disinclined to clean their guns because it could reveal problems masked by the crud. I frequently see online descriptions like, "fair bore, should clean up better." The dirty gun has that "diamond in the rough" quality that can capture the imagination of the inexperienced buyer. On the other hand, there is nothing more delightful than excavating an old milsurp rifle from petrified cosmoline.
KFS

[alanint]

And many a crappy "boat varnished" stock turns out to have been nicely protected over the years once stripped and properly finished.

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

David

Of course on must never use steel rods, but only brass ones, with brass brushes that should never be introduced from the muzzle.

On some handguns like the Single Action Army and SA/DA revolvers, one must clean the barrel via the muzzle, unless you are satisfied with using a bore-snake only.

[DavidJayUden]

Many a military rifle barrel has been sent to an early grave because of cleaning from the muzzle with a steel rod. M-1's, M-1 Carbine, etc, etc, etc.
It is a shame to see good rifling throughout up to about an inch from the muzzle. Once that last inch is gone, she won't shoot worth a darn. Counterboring sometimes helps, sometimes not.
dju