any information about this 1917/20 unit marked erfurt would be appreciated

[Ron Wood]

Do not worry Klaus, you have been a perfect gentleman. We have been discussing opinions and all are valid attempts by reasonable men to explain something that has been lost in history. I enjoy conversation with people that bring their experience and intelligence, thank you for being one of them.
Ron

[Sergio Natali]

Klaus

I think you're absolutley right.

I've got a pair of these so called double doubled dates, but in this cases the 1920 stamps were applied to already dated Army 1918 Erfurt and Army 1918 DWM forming the double dates.

The 1920 stamps generally are only "1920 Reichswer property stamps" related to the 7th August 1920 law concerning the disarming of the people.
Reichswehr stamp was applied by local armories which accounts for its sometimes crude applicaion and variety of sizes as very well explained in Jan Still's volume "WEIMAR LUGERS"

My 2 cents

Sergio

[alanint]

Can it be safely said, then, that Jonah's frustration comes less from an inability to satisfy his passion for history and precise data on his pistol than from a baser pursuit of simoleans?

He is also sticking to what he wanted to hear on the holster, which was clearly debunked as a civilian or private purchase item here.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by alanint

Can it be safely said, then, that Jonah's frustration comes less from an inability to satisfy his passion for history and precise data on his pistol than from a baser pursuit of simoleans?

It has been said here before, by a member wiser than his years would indicate, that 'outsiders' come here to start a thread that they can refer to in their For Sale ad on GB/AA/etc, and pick and choose what 'facts' to include...And then claim that 'the experts on LugerForum have validated it'...

[John Sabato]

Does anyone know the signifigance of the "W" stamp on the inside of the sideplate tang? I don't believe I remember seeing this type of marking in this location before

[DavidJayUden]

Over the years, I have seen one, and photos of quite a few more of those shoulder holsters. It would be an interesting project to determine the "who, where, what, when, how and why" there seem to be so many non-issue holsters of the same design, features, color, etc.
dju

[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
I am sure Bob had a reference and a valid observation that the holster is German, and I don’t think anyone here has expressed a different opinion as to its origin. My response was directed at your apparent impression that the holster was a German issue item and rejected the correct identification by Bill (wlyon) that the holster was never a German issue but likely a private purchase. Since the holster is not an issue item and is unmarked (as is almost universally true for this type of holster) the identification of it as German by the reference and Bob’s assessment is based on observation and opinion, not solid government specification and documentation.

If my interpretation of your remarks is wrong I apologize. I also appreciate your gracious apology. That reveals that you are basically an individual of good character and a welcome addition to our collective Luger insanity.

[jbf22]

Off topic I picked up two more P08's this weekend. Both appear to be refinished one its a "42" toggle marking with 1940 chamber date with Waffenamt on the right side of the barrel 9mm, the other is a .30luger DWM with no chamber date, early serial, the only marking I found was a triangle in a circle which seems to be a Portuguese marking. As I am still not satisfied with the original firearm I posted about I have yet to thoroughly investigate these additional 2 firearms.

[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
Is the triangle in a circle on the DWM with no chamber date on the left side of the receiver like this and does the gun have a grip safety?

[jbf22]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Jonah,
Is the triangle in a circle on the DWM with no chamber date on the left side of the receiver like this and does the gun have a grip safety?

Exactly like that, yes it does have a grip safety. I was told it is a 1906 by a friend, I have yet to do any checking on that.


Thank you Ron for your very prompt responses to every post.

[cirelaw]

A Darn Good Thread!!! Proud of all of you and all your most valuable intake! This is what its all about! Proud to be a member and friend~~~ Eric

[Balder]

Gentlemen,

I love this forum.

Respectfully,

Balder

[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
Since there is no marking on the chamber, unfortunately what you have found is a ground crest 1906 M2 Portuguese Luger. Since the crest has been ground off it has no collector value. It is only good for a shooter (or parts) and .30Luger is expensive.

[jbf22]

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Thats where that M2 would have been?

[DavidJayUden]

Directly over the chamber, where they are commonly dated.
dju

[jbf22]

DJU,

This is a close up, it doesn't appear as though it has been ground, although I've never seen one that was ground off. I have only ever seen Arisaka rifles with the mum ground off.

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[Ron Wood]

Jonah,
Yes, I thought you could tell that from the photo of the crest that I posted. Sorry

[DavidJayUden]

Any chance of getting a close-up of the top of your chamber? I'm assuming that a ground off crest will be pretty obvious.
dju

[Sergio Natali]

To all of you

Just one word to say thanks for all what I call first hand information one can get from this forum.

Sergio

[alanint]

Yes, its been ground off, (note the lack of uniformity in the extractor scallop on the chamber). Also been highly buffed and reblued. Too bad. These guns are scarce and one in original condition would have been a nice addition to any collection.