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alvin · 10-24-2013, 07:57 AM

I am trying to think the logic behind E&P's chart. It definitely does NOT reflect production volume. But I found it's a very practical chart. Erickson and Pate summarized the inter-relationship of those C96s very well.

Say, if I have an excellent original "1x Wartime Small Ring" for sale at $1400-1500 (pretty much reflect today's market), then my nice "2.5x Flatside Large Ring" in similar condition should value at $1400-1500 x 2.5 = $3500-3750. A 1930 in similar condition should value at $1400-$1500 x 1.5 = $2100-$2250. Accurate enough. Of course, this chart did not reflect special marking, special provenance, matching shoulder stock, harness etc. Just plain gun relationship. The only deviation from this chart is "Red 9", probably due to higher demand on that variation from collectors.

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Or, say, a matching 1x Wartime small ring in lower condition, $900 on market. Then, my 20-shot in similar condition from Julia $900 x 20 = $18k. The numbers are very close. Of course, $900 cannot find matching C96 with factory stock, but consider there are more buyers on basic models, so larger swing on price.

sheepherder · 10-24-2013, 08:34 AM

Stupid question: What do all the "X" marks mean???

alvin · 10-24-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by postino

Stupid question: What do all the "X" marks mean???

Actually, it's a very good question. Erickson did not say, I guess it means "times", for example, 4x Persian contract C96 is 4 times more scarce than basic model Wartime Commercial.

Does that mean we are supposed to see 1 instance of Persian for every 4 instances of Wartime Commercial on market?? I have met probably more than 1000 Wartime Commercials for sale....by 4x rule, in theory, I am supposed to see about 250 Persians, if not 250, say, 200, or, even 100 Persians are supposed to be met?.... no....no... the actual number is fewer than 10.

So, how did they summarize this chart is still a myth to me. Any thought?

conehammer · 10-31-2013, 08:31 PM

Congrats on the new additions Alvin. I was watching that last Julia auction very closely. I was being prodded by several friends to bid on the Turkish Contract but $27.5 k was more than I wanted to go. Plus the buyer's premium and internet bid premium gets me fuzzed up to begin with.

No the time wasn't right for me to bid on anything, I was interested in the System Mauser pieces as well as the 20 shots but other than watching I knew I wasn't going to bid.

I've been expanding my armor collection ( remember 1:10 rc armor ) and I just agreed to purchase a another lathe and Bridgeport mill. So money flew off on its own.

Jerry

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10-24-2013, 07:57 AM	#1
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I am trying to think the logic behind E&P's chart. It definitely does NOT reflect production volume. But I found it's a very practical chart. Erickson and Pate summarized the inter-relationship of those C96s very well. Say, if I have an excellent original "1x Wartime Small Ring" for sale at $1400-1500 (pretty much reflect today's market), then my nice "2.5x Flatside Large Ring" in similar condition should value at $1400-1500 x 2.5 = $3500-3750. A 1930 in similar condition should value at $1400-$1500 x 1.5 = $2100-$2250. Accurate enough. Of course, this chart did not reflect special marking, special provenance, matching shoulder stock, harness etc. Just plain gun relationship. The only deviation from this chart is "Red 9", probably due to higher demand on that variation from collectors. ==== Or, say, a matching 1x Wartime small ring in lower condition, $900 on market. Then, my 20-shot in similar condition from Julia $900 x 20 = $18k. The numbers are very close. Of course, $900 cannot find matching C96 with factory stock, but consider there are more buyers on basic models, so larger swing on price.

10-31-2013, 08:31 PM	#4
conehammer User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 116 Thanks: 1 Thanked 55 Times in 21 Posts	Congrats on the new additions Alvin. I was watching that last Julia auction very closely. I was being prodded by several friends to bid on the Turkish Contract but $27.5 k was more than I wanted to go. Plus the buyer's premium and internet bid premium gets me fuzzed up to begin with. No the time wasn't right for me to bid on anything, I was interested in the System Mauser pieces as well as the 20 shots but other than watching I knew I wasn't going to bid. I've been expanding my armor collection ( remember 1:10 rc armor ) and I just agreed to purchase a another lathe and Bridgeport mill. So money flew off on its own. Jerry