An interesting gun...

DavidJayUden · 09-22-2013, 05:13 PM

I know nothing about this one but thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=366783382

dju

lfid · 09-23-2013, 02:18 AM

David, thanks !!! for posting the link

I once owned an obviously poorly re-reblued worn low $ erfurt 4" 9mm luger which had the same crossed swords proof at the same place on the slide and also several of the eagle N proofs but I dont recall any caliber marks or whether rebarreled

I always wondered what this really neat proof mark was about so this seems like closure on that now

anybody know where this proof mark has been documented ?

same seller has some neat other offerings

Bill

alvin · 09-23-2013, 06:07 AM

Is it post WWII rework in East Germany?

skeeter4206 · 09-23-2013, 08:33 PM

I do believe that is an East German rework or VOPO luger. I know that Edward Tinkers "Police Lugers" book talks about them. And these markings look like something that would be on them.

Personally I think that these markings are unique and very cool to have one marked with these markings. I am sure someone else will chime in about these markings that have more insight on this.

Very cool gun though.

Ron Wood · 09-23-2013, 09:06 PM

The origin of the marking is in the for sale ad..."Luger 1940 rework Franken & Lunenschloss". The firm was in Liege, Belgium until 1914. It pretty much went out of existence until after the war, then it resumed business in Köln (Cologne), Germany.

nukem556 · 09-23-2013, 09:40 PM

Maybe I'm mentally challenged, but I'm still confused....did this firm rehabilitate Lugers which were then returned to service in the Wehrmacht, or was this a commercial endeavor?

Ron Wood · 09-23-2013, 10:12 PM

Did a little more research. I think the markings are out of Suhl during the Weimar era and not 1940. At any rate, it is a Franken & Lunenschloss rework for the commercial market.

Ben M. · 09-24-2013, 01:08 PM

this other gun by the seller is interesting with its revisions. seller does a good job showing lots of photos for his items.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=367064916

09-22-2013, 05:13 PM	#1
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	An interesting gun... I know nothing about this one but thought I'd throw it out for discussion. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=366783382 dju

09-23-2013, 09:06 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	The origin of the marking is in the for sale ad..."Luger 1940 rework Franken & Lunenschloss". The firm was in Liege, Belgium until 1914. It pretty much went out of existence until after the war, then it resumed business in Köln (Cologne), Germany. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-23-2013, 10:12 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	Did a little more research. I think the markings are out of Suhl during the Weimar era and not 1940. At any rate, it is a Franken & Lunenschloss rework for the commercial market. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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09-23-2013, 02:18 AM	#2
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	David, thanks !!! for posting the link I once owned an obviously poorly re-reblued worn low $ erfurt 4" 9mm luger which had the same crossed swords proof at the same place on the slide and also several of the eagle N proofs but I dont recall any caliber marks or whether rebarreled I always wondered what this really neat proof mark was about so this seems like closure on that now anybody know where this proof mark has been documented ? same seller has some neat other offerings Bill

09-23-2013, 06:07 AM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Is it post WWII rework in East Germany?

09-23-2013, 08:33 PM	#4
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	I do believe that is an East German rework or VOPO luger. I know that Edward Tinkers "Police Lugers" book talks about them. And these markings look like something that would be on them. Personally I think that these markings are unique and very cool to have one marked with these markings. I am sure someone else will chime in about these markings that have more insight on this. Very cool gun though.

09-23-2013, 09:40 PM	#6
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Maybe I'm mentally challenged, but I'm still confused....did this firm rehabilitate Lugers which were then returned to service in the Wehrmacht, or was this a commercial endeavor?

09-24-2013, 01:08 PM	#8
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 484 Thanks: 85 Thanked 121 Times in 81 Posts	this other gun by the seller is interesting with its revisions. seller does a good job showing lots of photos for his items. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=367064916