pricing help desired

[mystical_tutor]

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Gary, The reason serial numbers are a sensitive issue among some forum members (including me), is that much of what we know today about Lugers is derived from data bases, comprised of serial numbers willingly shared by hundreds of collectors, many from countries with far more restrictive firearms laws than here in the US. To expect information from the forum without sharing your own seems to me to be, well, a little selfish.
Norm

Sigh. Now I'm selfish...

Let us take a look at what I have asked for.

My request was for a "source" of information about current prices.

Board members requested Pictures and information about my Lugers, then called them worthless when they didn't meet their needs for their agendas.

When I shared my position about the dangers of the internet and SNs It was inferred that I am unreasonable or paranoid or just cantankerous. I have attempted to address the posts, though it is an exercise in futility I see.

Please correct me if I am wrong but have I ever asked any one here to price or buy my guns?

The private posts I have received have all been answered in the same way, See me at the gun show and if they don't sell I'll get in touch with you.

I'm beginning to think this is not the place for me.

Gary

[Ida-Alp]

Sir--Here's what you asked for-- per Jerry-

Buy the "Blue Book" and take it from there!!!

Al

[mystical_tutor]

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Gary, The reason serial numbers are a sensitive issue among some forum members (including me), is that much of what we know today about Lugers is derived from data bases, comprised of serial numbers willingly shared by hundreds of collectors, many from countries with far more restrictive firearms laws than here in the US. To expect information from the forum without sharing your own seems to me to be, well, a little selfish.
Norm

Your comment does sting a bit, specially as I honored your request for the Navy SN by sending it to you. However, if asking for references to pricing information without sharing my privet gun information on the internet, and specifically a non https site is selfish rather than cautious, well I guess that's your call.

Gary

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by mystical_tutor

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A little miscommunication there. I think some of the parts I have, specially 1900 leaf springs were remanufactured by Simson or some other entity. I do not have any spare Simson parts that I know of. A couple spare Simson magazines and a spare Krieghoff mag, but no proofed parts for either. I was not aware that Simson guns were more rare than Krieghoff. The old numbers we had were 12K for Simson Company Lugers plus the military dated-2K plus the S dates which is more than all the Krieghoffs. Have those numbers been revised downword? I have not read Still’s book on that era....Gary

Yes, Jan's book is excellent. And I have read my book, called Simson Lugers.
There were less than 12k of Simson's made total, the S toggle, not really a code. They were made at the same time as they made the Simson & Son toggle AFTER the first 10k and are all 'a' suffix numbered. New books, new information.
My simson database is here on the forum.

[mystical_tutor]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Yes, Jan's book is excellent. And I have read my book, called Simson Lugers.
There were less than 12k of Simson's made total, the S toggle, not really a code. They were made at the same time as they made the Simson & Son toggle AFTER the first 10k and are all 'a' suffix numbered. New books, new information.
My simson database is here on the forum.

The by product of all this research to prepare my Lugers for sale is that I'm getting the bug again.

Is your book available online in dl format for a Kindle?

Gary

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by mystical_tutor

The by product of all this research to prepare my Lugers for sale is that I'm getting the bug again.

Is your book available online in dl format for a Kindle?

Gary

No.

IMO the reason most books are available on Kindle is they have lost their copyright or they are such best sellers that its worth it to do so.

I have made money on my books, but I would be bankrupt if I had tried to live off of selling them.

Once the books are all sold made of paper, I would probably sell via Kindle. I do have a book being sold on Amazon, but its a fiction book

[mystical_tutor]

Jerry. Subscribed to the BBoGV. Your right, it sure is general....

[alanint]

Hi Gary,

I think everybody needs to take a step back. I think members got a little ahead of themselves, considering that guns of the quality you have presented don't often come up.

This is the most polite, professional board that I belong to, so I think now that you have gotten back to what you really need, perhaps members can be more helpful.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Gary..Selfish was not the correct word to use to a new Member..NORM! Geeze use a little tact. Without doubt all of the numbers and little markings on Lugers are important..even more so on very scarce/rare Lugers. ANY buyer willing to shell out many thousands for one of these pistols you are wanting to sell is going to comb through them looking for every one. Why? Because that affects price.
I have not been on this thread for a day or so but from what I remember about your Krieghoff, 1943 I think you said the firing pin and guide were not marked. This is something any potential buyer wants to know and he won't like it. Let's say it started out as a $10,000 pistol, now it's a $9,000 pistol. Each and every small detail that should be there that isn't..changes the price.

That's why the grilling you are getting on numbers and markings. People who are taking their time to try and help you. That and some people collect numbers for data bases and are petulant when you don't let them have them!

You say..I’m really not worried about authenticating them unless it becomes a specific issue with a potential buyer. This is why I have lost interest in these postings. We are dealing with a very charming fellow but he is his own worst enemy. You refuse help you so desperately NEED cause I got a news flash. If you don't know your guns inside and out or don't care.. you become a wandering generality. The kind of guy people LOVE to take advantage of. I said it before and I will say it again..A buyer will be counting out many hundreds, thousands of dollars. YOU better know your guns better than he's does and I can guarentee you before he starts peeling off that kind of money..he will know what he's looking at. Knowledge is POWER. Knowledge is money. You hung onto these pistols for many years and now want to cash in..that's great! Do yourself a favor and let people help you out.

But you could be right..This may not be the place for you.

In that case I would consider two avenues for you to get what you need..Contact Tom Whiteman of Legacy Firearms and have him authenticate, grade and price your pistols. He is fair and honest. He will give you the good & bad. Then you will be prepared with written information to show potential buyers when they try to beat you about the head and shoulders on price. You will KNOW what your pistols are and what they should bring in today's market.

Bob Simpson offers the same service.

The Blue Book of Gun Values.

Or go it on your own. Many newbies to gun boards come onto them and get in small snits over one thing or another, puff up, sulk then take their toys elsewhere to play. Unfortunate but I have seen it dozens of times. Gun Boards are a compilation of many people with many interests. Some just want to help, others want to buy, some learning or just looking and a million other reasons. Make of it what you can..Good luck.

[kzullick]

Welcome to the Forum. I have been a Member on this forum for a little over a year, they are a great bunch of people who are the most knowledgeable source of information on Lugers available. I have learned a lot. I have found the members here to be respectable, honest and courteous.

[mystical_tutor]

Originally Posted by kzullick

Welcome to the Forum. I have been a Member on this forum for a little over a year, they are a great bunch of people who are the most knowledgeable source of information on Lugers available. I have learned a lot. I have found the members here to be respectable, honest and courteous.

LOL, well I certainly agree that some folks here are tremendously knowledgeable in the field of Lugers. Some have probably forgotten more than I have ever known. I was going through Still's book last night in awe at the wealth of information there. I doubt that I will ever catch up again.

Also I think you for sharing your opinion of them.

Gary