FTF & Stove Piping issues...

lugerholsterrepair · 09-04-2013, 09:45 AM

Sieger..I don't need your leave to feel free to go about my business thank you. The facts are, there are many Luger shooters that don't handload. Another is that commercial made 9MM ammunition is perfectly acceptable and much of it works with no problems in most Lugers.
Thirdly I have about as much Luger gunsmithing experience as most and I have busted apart 3 different Lugers that were complete rustballs, wheel wire brushed them down to the white, trimmed off ends of rusted springs, put them together and they shoot perfectly.

I think the Luger and it's springs can be very resiliant. To start with handloading and changing out springs to solve simple problems is beyond what most casual shooters need or want to attempt. Personally I have fired untold rounds through all kinds of lugers for decades and have NEVER found it necessary to change ANY spring! OH! Wait it just came to me the one time I changed a spring..I had a Luger with a GREAT smooth trigger pull and I got to wondering about it..I took out the trigger and someone had put in a ball point pen spring!

There are many fixes to many problems on Luger's and I think it's bad advice to state that a Luger will not shoot properly without handloading cause I know better.

Zorba · 09-06-2013, 12:02 AM

GT just emailed me about the mags - pretty much what I had expected. The repro had a pretty miserable spring in it. The "Mauser" is not a Mauser at all, but a WWI DWM or Erfurt with a retrofitted aluminum base and a worn out spring. Apparently it had some dents too. In any event, they're on their way back vastly improved!

Sieger · 09-07-2013, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zormpas

GT just emailed me about the mags - pretty much what I had expected. The repro had a pretty miserable spring in it. The "Mauser" is not a Mauser at all, but a WWI DWM or Erfurt with a retrofitted aluminum base and a worn out spring. Apparently it had some dents too. In any event, they're on their way back vastly improved!

Zormpas,

When you get those mags back from GT, please send me a PM and we'll get your Luger shooting and shooting accurately.

Sieger

Zorba · 09-10-2013, 12:06 AM

Mags are back from GT - and I can already see a huge improvement. Turns out the "Mauser" mag with the aluminum bottom isn't a Mauser at all - GT says its either a DWM or an Erfurt, WW I era, which someone fitted with the afore mentioned bottom. The "no-name" remains so, but resembles "an early Mec-Gar" - but was represented to me as new, so who knows who actually made it!

In any event, the old DWM/Erfurt's weak spring is now brisk and snappy, as is the no-name's. He had to do some dent management and adjustments.

All I've had time to do is run 3 snap caps through each one, manually cycling the gun. They both performed flawlessly with this limited test, something they never really did before. Both held open correctly too!

My wife and I are getting ready for a veil duette performance at an upcoming Belly Dance festival, so it might be a bit before I get to the range - but I think the refurbished mags will perform MUCH better! My wife will want to shoot her revolver too, so it'll be a fun day at the range when we do get there.

Sieger · 09-07-2013, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Sieger..I don't need your leave to feel free to go about my business thank you. The facts are, there are many Luger shooters that don't handload. Another is that commercial made 9MM ammunition is perfectly acceptable and much of it works with no problems in most Lugers.
Thirdly I have about as much Luger gunsmithing experience as most and I have busted apart 3 different Lugers that were complete rustballs, wheel wire brushed them down to the white, trimmed off ends of rusted springs, put them together and they shoot perfectly.

I think the Luger and it's springs can be very resiliant. To start with handloading and changing out springs to solve simple problems is beyond what most casual shooters need or want to attempt. Personally I have fired untold rounds through all kinds of lugers for decades and have NEVER found it necessary to change ANY spring! OH! Wait it just came to me the one time I changed a spring..I had a Luger with a GREAT smooth trigger pull and I got to wondering about it..I took out the trigger and someone had put in a ball point pen spring!

There are many fixes to many problems on Luger's and I think it's bad advice to state that a Luger will not shoot properly without handloading cause I know better.

``

Jerry,

Opinions often vary.

Sieger

09-04-2013, 09:45 AM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	Sieger..I don't need your leave to feel free to go about my business thank you. The facts are, there are many Luger shooters that don't handload. Another is that commercial made 9MM ammunition is perfectly acceptable and much of it works with no problems in most Lugers. Thirdly I have about as much Luger gunsmithing experience as most and I have busted apart 3 different Lugers that were complete rustballs, wheel wire brushed them down to the white, trimmed off ends of rusted springs, put them together and they shoot perfectly. I think the Luger and it's springs can be very resiliant. To start with handloading and changing out springs to solve simple problems is beyond what most casual shooters need or want to attempt. Personally I have fired untold rounds through all kinds of lugers for decades and have NEVER found it necessary to change ANY spring! OH! Wait it just came to me the one time I changed a spring..I had a Luger with a GREAT smooth trigger pull and I got to wondering about it..I took out the trigger and someone had put in a ball point pen spring! There are many fixes to many problems on Luger's and I think it's bad advice to state that a Luger will not shoot properly without handloading cause I know better. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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09-06-2013, 12:02 AM	#2
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	GT just emailed me about the mags - pretty much what I had expected. The repro had a pretty miserable spring in it. The "Mauser" is not a Mauser at all, but a WWI DWM or Erfurt with a retrofitted aluminum base and a worn out spring. Apparently it had some dents too. In any event, they're on their way back vastly improved!

09-10-2013, 12:06 AM	#4
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	Mags are back from GT - and I can already see a huge improvement. Turns out the "Mauser" mag with the aluminum bottom isn't a Mauser at all - GT says its either a DWM or an Erfurt, WW I era, which someone fitted with the afore mentioned bottom. The "no-name" remains so, but resembles "an early Mec-Gar" - but was represented to me as new, so who knows who actually made it! In any event, the old DWM/Erfurt's weak spring is now brisk and snappy, as is the no-name's. He had to do some dent management and adjustments. All I've had time to do is run 3 snap caps through each one, manually cycling the gun. They both performed flawlessly with this limited test, something they never really did before. Both held open correctly too! My wife and I are getting ready for a veil duette performance at an upcoming Belly Dance festival, so it might be a bit before I get to the range - but I think the refurbished mags will perform MUCH better! My wife will want to shoot her revolver too, so it'll be a fun day at the range when we do get there.