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[skeeter4206]

I was recently looking somewhere on line and they were considering a broome handle a class III weapon. It commented about it being a fully automatic weapon. Is this correct about the brrome handles?

[alvin]

Originally Posted by skeeter4206

I was recently looking somewhere on line and they were considering a broome handle a class III weapon. It commented about it being a fully automatic weapon. Is this correct about the brrome handles?

The darn thing is called "Schnellfeuer". It's the last variation of Mauser C96. Most were sold to China. But it's a gun produced in relatively high volume of near six digit, so they still show up on market from time to time today.

From some memoirs, it's selective firing, but it's still mainly used as a semi-auto. In emergency the operator could fire it in short-burst mode, it's superior and useful. For example, a running guy being chased by an enemy in close quarter at night, accurate aiming on the chaser was impossible, so he fired 3-4 rounds at the rough direction towards the chaser. In this scenario, it's much more effective than semi-auto.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by alvin

The darn thing is called "Schnellfeuer"....it's a gun produced in relatively high volume of near six digit, so they still show up on market from time to time today.

There was one for sale at Waffen Bavaria in Munchen back in the mid-80's when I was there; price was ~$750 USD, IIRC...

From some memoirs, it's selective firing, but it's still mainly used as a semi-auto. In emergency the operator could fire it in short-burst mode, it's superior and useful. For example, a running guy being chased by an enemy in close quarter at night, accurate aiming on the chaser was impossible, so he fired 3-4 rounds at the rough direction towards the chaser. In this scenario, it's much more effective than semi-auto.

I thought I'd read that it was used in WW I as a 'trench sweeper', with stock attached, by the Sturm Battalions...

[alvin]

Originally Posted by postino

There was one for sale at Waffen Bavaria in Munchen back in the mid-80's when I was there; price was ~$750 USD, IIRC...

The production volume was near six digit. The price varies from time to time. Fully transferable ones are rare in U.S. and are expensive. A few were sold above $10,000 recently (including a rare Nickl). But I saw some of dealer-only samples offered online did not sell at $6000. Since it's a class III weapon, many collectors have to bypass it to avoid some class III related headache. There is an extra "legal fee" associated with this type of gun. I believe same is true for other class III guns.

[alanint]

Originally Posted by alvin

The production volume was near six digit. The price varies from time to time. Fully transferable ones are rare in U.S. and are expensive. A few were sold above $10,000 recently (including a rare Nickl). But I saw some of dealer-only samples offered online did not sell at $6000. Since it's a class III weapon, many collectors have to bypass it to avoid some class III related headache. There is an extra "legal fee" associated with this type of gun. I believe same is true for other class III guns.

No "Legal Fee" just a "Tax Fee" of $200, if you live in an area where you are allowed to own Title 2 stuff. ("Class 3" is a misnomer. These items are better referred to as Title 2 or simply NFA items).
The posted Schnellfeuer is a little overpriced for a Pre May Dealer Sample. I would expect a fully transferrable to go for this kind of money.

[alvin]

Originally Posted by alanint

No "Legal Fee" just a "Tax Fee" of $200, if you live in an area where you are allowed to own Title 2 stuff. ("Class 3" is a misnomer. These items are better referred to as Title 2 or simply NFA items).
The posted Schnellfeuer is a little overpriced for a Pre May Dealer Sample. I would expect a fully transferrable to go for this kind of money.

Thanks for the info. Personally, I have to bypass Machine Pistols. But each collector's situation is different, this gun has a special position in pistol development, and if possible, owning a Schnellfeuer will be great!

A fully transferable SF was sold recently for $14,950:

http://www.cowanauctions.com/auction...?ItemId=122168

[cdmech]

At gun shows around here in CA, there are two types of sellers, those with an FFL and those without. I don't know what "dealer" implies. If the guy selling the hand gun or newer than 50 year old rifle is not an FFL, the two of you walk over to the table of FFLs and complete your transaction and you get your gun in ten days from the FFL. If your buying a C&R long gun from a non-FFL, then cash and carry. If the C&R long gun seller is an FFL, then wait ten days.
Next year there will be no cash and carry of anything in CA, so old long rifles are commanding top $$$ right now. Most of the tables are non-FFLs at the shows I've seen, but I don't spend any time looking at the new stuff either.
Marc