Gun show inspections

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I would handle it like this..Give me the 500. If you hand me back the pistol in one piece after inspecting it and don't want it..I will give you your 500 back. If not.. you bought yourself a pistol.

I would agree, but only if cash...No checks, and fork over the state sales tax too...(I'm pretty sure only a dealer would set up a table, which means small business)...

I've taken mine apart dozens of times, swapped parts (Thank You, Alvin!), and trouble-shot problems...But...That sear & frame stop lock can be a real nuisance...

I would not hold it against an owner to refuse dis-assembly at a gun show...There was a pistol I dis-assembled not long ago, that the previous owner advised me to take apart in bed, under white sheets...He was right...Sproing!!!...

That said, I would take a chance on a $500 C96 or M30 [not a Bolo]...But then, I have a box of parts to play with...But the smooth bore begs for a price cut...

[LugerVern]

Once many years ago, without thinking I instinctively took apart a gun at a show I was very familiar with, all in just a few seconds, the owner almost had a heart attack.

Funny to me but, that guy was seriously upset!

I have never done it since without asking, and I always promise to return it to original.

I know several gun dealers who couldn't field strip a gun if their life depended on it. You can spot them pretty easily, the guns will have the signs of being wiped with oil but never disassembled.

Take pity on your dealer, be nice and most will let you take them apart if you show some competency

( Funny) I will never forget the look on that guys face when he turned around and saw the gun in parts and me looking down the barrel with one eye!

Vern

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by postino

I would agree, but only if cash...No checks, and fork over the state sales tax too...[SIZE="1"](I'm pretty sure only a dealer would set up a table, which means small business)...

what?

I have had many tables, and I'm sure not a dealer?

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

what?

I have had many tables, and I'm sure not a dealer?

Do you collect sales tax? Do you have an FFL? In my state, there are few gun shows, and I have yet to meet a handgun seller who did not have a business...Selling guns, we're talking about here...

IIRC, you're in Pennsylvania...NYS requires a separate permit to sell handguns, in addition to the small business license, and FFL...Probably other requirements as well, I'm only familiar with the ones that affect me directly...You must also be a NYS resident...Or have a handgun shipped to an FFL in your state...

I can sell a handgun to a valid NYS permit holder, but now I have to go through the NICS check, which means an FFL holder...And the transfer has to be reported to my local pistol permit office within 10 days, and I must have a purchase coupon from the buyer, which he gets from his pistol permit office, with all the information on it...IOW, it has to be registered before I can physically let him take delivery of it...

Here's some more requirements...From the SAFE FAQ...

http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-owners

Q: What types of private handgun, rifle or shotgun sales or transfers are subject to background check requirements?

A: Starting on March 15, 2013, all private handgun, rifle or shotgun sales or transfers (with the exception of those sales or transfers to and between certain family members) will require a background check of the buyer.


Q: As a private individual seller/transferor, how do I conduct a background check on a buyer or transferee?

A: The background check must be performed by a dealer. Federal law and guidelines govern the process that dealers must follow if they choose to conduct a background check for a private sale.

You, the seller/transferor, bring the weapon to any dealer that agrees to facilitate the sale or transfer. The dealer conducts an instant background check of the buyer/transferee—the same check run for all retail firearm sales. The dealer may not charge more than $10 for this service.

You may visit the dealer along with the buyer/transferee and complete the sale or transfer together, or you may leave your firearm with the dealer to complete the sale or transfer on your behalf.


Some more...I have two cap & ball revolvers mounted on the wall of my PC room here; perfectly legal, no permit required, K-Mart used to sell them...But if I have cap, ball, and powder for them, I am required to have them added to my pistol permit...With NICS check...

Welcome to New York! We hope you brought money!

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by postino

Welcome to New York! We hope you brought money!

i don't think that Marc is in New York, so not to sure what this means? Most states are not like this, in Tulsa, in Florida, you buy a gun from a private individual and its yours.

Here in Pennsylvania, handguns go through FFL (dealer or theirs) but rifles and shotguns, no issue.

[lew1]

I do not let anyone at a show (unless I know them and their experience) take anything apart. Various reasons - 1) too many tire kickers, 2) sometimes they do not or cannot put it back together, 3) sometimes they don't know how to take it apart, 4) Having to watch them closely leaves one open to problems from their friends or others. Some where else - might be different.

[cdmech]

Originally Posted by lew1

I do not let anyone at a show (unless I know them and their experience) take anything apart. Various reasons - 1) too many tire kickers, 2) sometimes they do not or cannot put it back together, 3) sometimes they don't know how to take it apart, 4) Having to watch them closely leaves one open to problems from their friends or others. Some where else - might be different.

All of these are true. Buying at a gun show then becomes more of a gamble than an Internet purchase, because most online sellers at least give you an "inspection" period.
Ok to ask if you can, but don't expect to be allowed to I guess is the right attitude.
Marc

[lew1]

Originally Posted by cdmech

All of these are true. Buying at a gun show then becomes more of a gamble than an Internet purchase, because most online sellers at least give you an "inspection" period.
Ok to ask if you can, but don't expect to be allowed to I guess is the right attitude.
Marc

It is a gamble because of the 4 reasons I mentioned. A person can ask, but there is no way to know if a person falls into one of the above ahead of time. So why create problems for your self.

As to internet sellers giving an inspection, many say that no dis-assembly is allowed.

[lew1]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

i don't think that Marc is in New York, so not to sure what this rant means? Most states are not like this, in Tulsa, in Florida, you buy a gun from a private individual and its yours.

Here in Pennsylvania, handguns go through FFL (dealer or theirs) but rifles and shotguns, no issue.

And a record is kept of the buyer's name, and the model and serial number of the pistol.

[conehammer]

I never had any problems disassembling Broomhandles. No one ever even showed me but I did have a exploded view.

I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing.
My first Broomhandle was the second pistol I had, after a 7,65 Luger ( some 1920's sort).

I remember being at a gun show in Mountain View ( Ca ) in the early 1980s at which a seller was perplexed how to put a Broomhandle back together. I took care of that right quickly.

I solved that conundrum that rarely occurs when someone reassembles one with an incorrectly assembled lock. It's just a matter of applying pressure and pulling on several parts at the same time. I remember walking someone through it on the old Yahoo newsgroup.

Broomhandles are fun, I just don't shoot any of mine any longer... No shootee - no breakee...


Jerry

[lew1]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

what?

I have had many tables, and I'm sure not a dealer?

You might qualify as a dealer depending on your selling habits/methods/frequency etc. This can vary from state to state.