1920 PARTS Navy Luger Carbine - Page 2

CHARLESL · 10-30-2012, 06:44 PM

Hello Marc and others
I will try to answer the questions
1 The trigger, takedown lever and safety are strawed
2 The witness marks are in perfect alignment and of identical depth however I can see it with a flashlight and reading glasses but the forearm extension makes it impossible to get a camera picture.
3the grips may have a little darker appearance but the grain is the same along with the checkering. the barrel has the full serial number located near the barrel and receiver junction then a crown over end about 2 inches out from the junction that is then followed with a Germany stamping 2 inches further
Thanks
Charles

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CHARLESL · 10-30-2012, 06:47 PM

Thanks Ron
I look forward to your further opinions
Chuck

alanint · 10-30-2012, 06:55 PM

I also agree that it is probably a legitimate, although rare Navy Carbine variation. I'm just saying Charles would sleep much more comfortably if he had the documentation to back up the carbine's origin.

cirelaw · 10-30-2012, 07:24 PM

Does the serial number fall in range of accepted Navy Carbines?? That would help!! I can only make out #37439 I think. Mine is simular although a commercial. I would agree it's legit based on the findings thus far!!

CHARLESL · 10-30-2012, 08:08 PM

Thanks Eric
You have a very nice Luger . The number on the barrel and extension read 48930
I would also like to know if this is the correct range . My cousin would like to sell but he bought it for significantly less than he wants me to pay but of course I understand because he has had it so long and it is an investment for him
Thank You
Chuck Lobrano

cirelaw · 10-30-2012, 08:38 PM

Buy it if reasonable!!!!It can be your anchor in your collection!

LWaali · 10-30-2012, 08:53 PM

CharlesL, did you ever actually mention the length of the barrel?

Grantas · 10-30-2012, 11:26 PM

Buy it. How many do you see.

LWaali · 10-31-2012, 01:18 AM

Ruby Ridge started over a technicality of 1/4". I wouldn't buy it without knowing the legal status.. just sayin..

cirelaw · 10-31-2012, 06:29 AM

According to Kenyan the barrel should be 11 3/4'

CHARLESL · 10-31-2012, 09:10 AM

measured the barrel and it is 11 3/4 inch
Chuck

John Sabato · 10-31-2012, 09:56 AM

IMHO, based solely on the photographs that have been displayed, I believe the gun, and all stock fittings are original, and PROBABLY falls within the ATFE C&R definition that has been mentioned previously. BUT, the stock and the forearm appear to be reproductions.

The checkering on the stock and forearm does not seem to ME to be up to factory standards. Still, all in all, it is a fine looking Luger and would certainly display well on MY wall.

cirelaw · 10-31-2012, 10:41 AM

John I would also agree. The foward grip is identical inside like mine.Its' serial number in carved on the inside of the grip. I would bet there is more simular ones out there. Eric

ithacaartist · 10-31-2012, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

The checkering on the stock and forearm does not seem to ME to be up to factory standards. Still, all in all, it is a fine looking Luger and would certainly display well on MY wall.

The pic showing the back end of the fore-stock reveals lots of goofs in the checkering, mostly grooves that have run over the border line. Original "furniture" may not be perfect, but I think it would be better than this example.

Nonetheless, there's space available on my wall, too.

cirelaw · 10-31-2012, 12:46 PM

I would agree! Maybe a replacement.

George Anderson · 10-31-2012, 01:01 PM

A barrel marked "GERMANY" is usually an indication that the barrel was imported seperately.

John Sabato · 10-31-2012, 02:52 PM

Hi George, Could this example be one of the "Pacific" imports that took orders for custom length barrels? I seem to remember that from the last catalog I had a chance to look at years ago.

cirelaw · 10-31-2012, 03:09 PM

Land Of Bourchart has the catalogs you referring, 'Aberchrombie & Finch'

George Anderson · 10-31-2012, 03:39 PM

John, I checked my 1920's copy of the Pacfic Arms catalogue. It does not offer an this barrel length.

sheepherder · 10-31-2012, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Mine is simular although a commercial.

Very nice carbine, Eric. Eugene does good work...Eventually...

10-30-2012, 07:24 PM	#24
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Does the serial number fall in range of accepted Navy Carbines?? That would help!! I can only make out #37439 I think. Mine is simular although a commercial. I would agree it's legit based on the findings thus far!! Attached Thumbnails

10-31-2012, 09:56 AM	#32
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	IMHO, based solely on the photographs that have been displayed, I believe the gun, and all stock fittings are original, and PROBABLY falls within the ATFE C&R definition that has been mentioned previously. BUT, the stock and the forearm appear to be reproductions. The checkering on the stock and forearm does not seem to ME to be up to factory standards. Still, all in all, it is a fine looking Luger and would certainly display well on MY wall. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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10-30-2012, 06:44 PM	#21
CHARLESL User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Long Beach Mississippi Posts: 42 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Marc and others I will try to answer the questions 1 The trigger, takedown lever and safety are strawed 2 The witness marks are in perfect alignment and of identical depth however I can see it with a flashlight and reading glasses but the forearm extension makes it impossible to get a camera picture. 3the grips may have a little darker appearance but the grain is the same along with the checkering. the barrel has the full serial number located near the barrel and receiver junction then a crown over end about 2 inches out from the junction that is then followed with a Germany stamping 2 inches further Thanks Charles ++

10-30-2012, 06:47 PM	#22
CHARLESL User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Long Beach Mississippi Posts: 42 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Ron I look forward to your further opinions Chuck

10-30-2012, 06:55 PM	#23
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	I also agree that it is probably a legitimate, although rare Navy Carbine variation. I'm just saying Charles would sleep much more comfortably if he had the documentation to back up the carbine's origin.

10-30-2012, 08:08 PM	#25
CHARLESL User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Long Beach Mississippi Posts: 42 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Eric You have a very nice Luger . The number on the barrel and extension read 48930 I would also like to know if this is the correct range . My cousin would like to sell but he bought it for significantly less than he wants me to pay but of course I understand because he has had it so long and it is an investment for him Thank You Chuck Lobrano

10-30-2012, 08:38 PM	#26
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Buy it if reasonable!!!!It can be your anchor in your collection!

10-30-2012, 08:53 PM	#27
LWaali User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 99 Thanks: 67 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	CharlesL, did you ever actually mention the length of the barrel?

10-30-2012, 11:26 PM	#28
Grantas Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: New Zealand Posts: 55 Thanks: 274 Thanked 26 Times in 20 Posts	Buy it. How many do you see.

10-31-2012, 01:18 AM	#29
LWaali User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 99 Thanks: 67 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	Ruby Ridge started over a technicality of 1/4". I wouldn't buy it without knowing the legal status.. just sayin..

10-31-2012, 06:29 AM	#30
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	According to Kenyan the barrel should be 11 3/4'

10-31-2012, 09:10 AM	#31
CHARLESL User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Long Beach Mississippi Posts: 42 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	measured the barrel and it is 11 3/4 inch Chuck

10-31-2012, 10:41 AM	#33
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	John I would also agree. The foward grip is identical inside like mine.Its' serial number in carved on the inside of the grip. I would bet there is more simular ones out there. Eric

10-31-2012, 12:46 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I would agree! Maybe a replacement.

10-31-2012, 01:01 PM	#36
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	A barrel marked "GERMANY" is usually an indication that the barrel was imported seperately.

10-31-2012, 02:52 PM	#37
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hi George, Could this example be one of the "Pacific" imports that took orders for custom length barrels? I seem to remember that from the last catalog I had a chance to look at years ago. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-31-2012, 03:09 PM	#38
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Land Of Bourchart has the catalogs you referring, 'Aberchrombie & Finch'

10-31-2012, 03:39 PM	#39
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	John, I checked my 1920's copy of the Pacfic Arms catalogue. It does not offer an this barrel length.