What to look for to determine re-furbishing - Page 2

alvin · 07-10-2012, 08:06 AM

It does not hurt being over-suspicious at the beginning. After accumulating a bunch of them, telling reblue/original finish is not that hard on most of them. This experience build-up process is fun as well. Not a Nambu collector, but that must apply to Nambu as well.

The finish is rust blue on this one. The seller might not describe it correctly. But it's rust blue and this one should be rust blued. Looks ok to me, except the grip is too dark to tell on the photo. If interested, this one worth paying the seller for hand-on checking.

siegersallee · 07-10-2012, 03:00 PM

Postino,

Don't get me wrong, I do want it; but, for the price he is asking, I would expect at least two matching mags...maybe I am greedy.

Richard

alvin · 07-10-2012, 05:54 PM

Just realized this Nambu is the one listed on WTS section. I had been very hot on Nambu when I was in teen, visited a big museum tens of times to view a pair of Nambu T14s (one large trigger guard, and one small trigger guard). The museum security must feel that behavior was suspicious, and they tuned the monitoring camera straight on the displaying glass cabinet

ithacaartist · 07-11-2012, 02:13 PM

Wouldn't a hot dip blue usually result in this finish inside and out? The pic showing the mag well, and another looking down into the gullet of the action, appear to show that the inside of the frame is in the white. This is one criterion for verifying rust bluing. Another, I guess, would be general color--don't rust blued guns look "bluer" than hot salt dipped guns, which tend to look "blacker" in comparison?

There may be other telltale places which indicate of suggest rebluing--like the tip of the Luger's toggle axle retaining pin shows that these parts, at least, were blued while assembled if it is blued, whereas factory original parts were blued, then assembled, leaving the exposed tip of the pin on top of the toggle knob in the white. Just one thing to check. Another would be the texture of the surfaces of the gun under 10x magnification. You'd see evidence of it if the gun had been washed over by glass bead blasting. You'd get the most accurate story on the timing of those stampings, etc.

Is there a Nambu forum? If so, and they are half as great as the crowd here, you're in business!

DP

p.s. Hundreds, right?

siegersallee · 07-11-2012, 05:25 PM

Yes, I was thinking hundreds till I posted all the information and pictures over at the "Arms of the Rising Sun" forum.

See the post here.

That forum, like this one, has bonifide experts who have written books on Japanese militaria and are very willing to help a newbie like me evaluate a Nambu. This is not the first one to catch my fancy. They have saved me from making unwise purchases in the past. I might also add that the experts here have done the same.

Everyone agrees the pistol is in great condition, original, and matching; but, it is not rare. The 12.12 series was produced in the thousands; its sole attractiveness is its condition, all matching, and originality.

However, even given its condition, the price being asking is way out of line with the value of the pistol as they see it.

They said that on a good day, in today's Nambu market, it would be worth about 1000.00 and that is a stretch.

At a minumum, if it had a second mag and a lanyard, then the price being asked may be justified.

Anyway, I am not going to purchase it. According to the seller, he paid in the 12-13 range for it from FGS firearms about 5 years ago.

Also, I noticed that he has dropped the price.

Richard

ncblksmth1 · 07-15-2012, 05:45 PM

Does anyone know of any difference in the grips of these nambu pistols? I am buying one with 6-7 grooves yes most like the one pictured above have many more.

Patronen · 07-15-2012, 08:53 PM

It may be a later in the war built gun. Near the end, the ones with the 20.? Dates usually have smooth or slab grips.

Welcome to the forum.

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siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Postino, Don't get me wrong, I do want it; but, for the price he is asking, I would expect at least two matching mags...maybe I am greedy. Richard __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

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siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Yes, I was thinking hundreds till I posted all the information and pictures over at the "Arms of the Rising Sun" forum. See the post here. That forum, like this one, has bonifide experts who have written books on Japanese militaria and are very willing to help a newbie like me evaluate a Nambu. This is not the first one to catch my fancy. They have saved me from making unwise purchases in the past. I might also add that the experts here have done the same. Everyone agrees the pistol is in great condition, original, and matching; but, it is not rare. The 12.12 series was produced in the thousands; its sole attractiveness is its condition, all matching, and originality. However, even given its condition, the price being asking is way out of line with the value of the pistol as they see it. They said that on a good day, in today's Nambu market, it would be worth about 1000.00 and that is a stretch. At a minumum, if it had a second mag and a lanyard, then the price being asked may be justified. Anyway, I am not going to purchase it. According to the seller, he paid in the 12-13 range for it from FGS firearms about 5 years ago. Also, I noticed that he has dropped the price. Richard __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script) Last edited by siegersallee; 07-11-2012 at 06:21 PM.

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Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	It may be a later in the war built gun. Near the end, the ones with the 20.? Dates usually have smooth or slab grips. Welcome to the forum. __________________ Dave

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07-10-2012, 08:06 AM	#1
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It does not hurt being over-suspicious at the beginning. After accumulating a bunch of them, telling reblue/original finish is not that hard on most of them. This experience build-up process is fun as well. Not a Nambu collector, but that must apply to Nambu as well. The finish is rust blue on this one. The seller might not describe it correctly. But it's rust blue and this one should be rust blued. Looks ok to me, except the grip is too dark to tell on the photo. If interested, this one worth paying the seller for hand-on checking.

07-10-2012, 05:54 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Just realized this Nambu is the one listed on WTS section. I had been very hot on Nambu when I was in teen, visited a big museum tens of times to view a pair of Nambu T14s (one large trigger guard, and one small trigger guard). The museum security must feel that behavior was suspicious, and they tuned the monitoring camera straight on the displaying glass cabinet

07-11-2012, 02:13 PM	#4
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,374 Thanks: 7,447 Thanked 2,613 Times in 1,380 Posts	Wouldn't a hot dip blue usually result in this finish inside and out? The pic showing the mag well, and another looking down into the gullet of the action, appear to show that the inside of the frame is in the white. This is one criterion for verifying rust bluing. Another, I guess, would be general color--don't rust blued guns look "bluer" than hot salt dipped guns, which tend to look "blacker" in comparison? There may be other telltale places which indicate of suggest rebluing--like the tip of the Luger's toggle axle retaining pin shows that these parts, at least, were blued while assembled if it is blued, whereas factory original parts were blued, then assembled, leaving the exposed tip of the pin on top of the toggle knob in the white. Just one thing to check. Another would be the texture of the surfaces of the gun under 10x magnification. You'd see evidence of it if the gun had been washed over by glass bead blasting. You'd get the most accurate story on the timing of those stampings, etc. Is there a Nambu forum? If so, and they are half as great as the crowd here, you're in business! DP p.s. Hundreds, right?

07-15-2012, 05:45 PM	#6
ncblksmth1 User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does anyone know of any difference in the grips of these nambu pistols? I am buying one with 6-7 grooves yes most like the one pictured above have many more.