Hello everyone.

Terry Tiell · 06-24-2012, 03:09 PM

UPDATED WITH NEW PICS IN POST #15.

First and foremost THANK YOU THOR and JOHN for helping me register!

Secondly hello everyone glad to be here and take in the wealth of information from you experts. My father passed away years ago and left me an old German Luger he found while metal detecting in a drained fresh water reservoir. God only know how long she was down there on how she came to be there in the first place. Being he was a Baltimore City police officer he tried to clean it up but he made the mistake of not keeping the gun submerged till he could get around to it so rust set it and pitted it pretty badly, his solution was to sand, file, and grind the rust out making things even worse. So this is what I started out with about a month ago when I decided it was time she came back from the grave.

I sent TONS of pics to Thor who gave me a sad news that the barrel and upper were probly too far gone to save and then be able to safely fire so I went out and found a new/old barrel and upper from a 1913 Luger that looks much better then does for $200 shipped to my front door so its on the way. I've so far replaced the grips, grip screws, main spring, firing pin spring and trigger spring. I also spent the better part of 2 days welding new metal into the lower to fill the pitting rather then my dads way of grinding it out. Then I filed, sanded, buffed and polished her till she almost looks chromed or nickel plated! I'm almost done with the lower but I need to get finer files to get rid of the rest of my tooling marks.

Yesterday for the 1st time in I know for a fact at least 35 years I fired her. At 50 yards she had a grouping the size of a softball so I know my barrel may be tired but its by no means worthless. Once I get done with the lower I plan to lightly sand blast it to frost the metal prior to my other first, hot bluing. Once I get done with the metal work I'll post more pics of the lower. Now please keep in mind this gun was BAD off and this is my first ever attempt at rebuilding a gun of any kind.

lugersrkewl · 06-24-2012, 03:23 PM

Welcome, I look forward to seeing your pistols metamorphosis

cirelaw · 06-24-2012, 04:42 PM

One door opens another. I have no memories of even haveing a father. Cherish every moment! Eric Ps Drop by anytime!

CavScoutEurope · 06-24-2012, 09:21 PM

Very cool! Good luck!

Terry Tiell · 06-25-2012, 06:11 PM

Ok so I sand blasted the lower and it looks like its brand new just out of the mold but should I polish it before I blue it or just blue it as is?

John Sabato · 06-26-2012, 12:16 PM

Please post pictures of every step of your Luger's resurrection!

Curly1 · 06-26-2012, 04:10 PM

Welcome to the forum Terry.

rhuff · 06-26-2012, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Tiell

Ok so I sand blasted the lower and it looks like its brand new just out of the mold but should I polish it before I blue it or just blue it as is?

If it were me, I would do some filing and then some polishing, but I don't care for a "parkerized finish" on Lugers. Just a personal opinion.

Terry Tiell · 06-27-2012, 07:07 AM

Yeah it didn't turn out the way I was hoping for after I blued it it looks dark grey, not a fan. Polcieluger is helping me out in another thread as to what I need to do or if I should just send it to him to finish but without the bluing.

rhuff · 06-27-2012, 01:47 PM

Due to the condition of your Luger as it is currently, you have to decide what you really want for an end result. There are folks out there that are masters at metal work and draw filing, and though it can not be brought back to like new without a lot of welding etc., it can be markedly improved, and return an old tired "warhorse" back to a good life....and one that one could take pride in. My .02

Terry Tiell · 06-27-2012, 06:03 PM

Thats kinda what I'm leaning toward Rhuff. My new parts should be in by the end of the week and once I see how she fires I'll go from there. So long as the wife doesn't object too badly that is.

Greg B. · 06-28-2012, 01:42 PM

You are in an envious position with that Luger. From your post there is about $200.00 invested and it already shoots better tham what I could do at 50 yds. Thor could probably make that pistol look like new and it still would not cost much more than a store bought shooter. My $.02 worth.

Greg B.

Terry Tiell · 06-28-2012, 01:50 PM

My new 1913 barrel and upper just got here so I'm gonna test it out as soon as I finish cleaning the lower better. I don't want to mess with the upper till I find out EXACTLY what I need to do to it. It looks fantastic and I don't want to screw it up.

rhuff · 06-28-2012, 05:09 PM

Please keep us informed, and pictures are just a plus for us!!

Terry Tiell · 06-28-2012, 08:01 PM

Here's the latest pics let me know what you all think. Should I continue to try to do this myself or should I ship her off to an expert such as Thor?

cirelaw · 06-28-2012, 09:04 PM

I don't beleive anyone will touch your work! They all have there practices and procedure. Your stepping in doesn't help!

Terry Tiell · 06-28-2012, 09:58 PM

I was told a grand to restore it and it would never be safe to fire. So far it not only fires but has a grouping the size of a softball at 50 yards. I couldn't afford to spend $1000 to restore it into a mantel piece so I decided to do what I could and then I'd probly send it off to be finished by a pro hopefully saving some money. All I did so far was to clean up the lower and buy a new upper and barrel and grips and springs and magazine so I don't see where I stepped in and did anything wrong. I understand the pieces turned out by guys like Thor are works of art the likes I could never hope to approach or eclipse and I'm not trying to. All I'm trying to do is finish up something that my father started but could never finish before he passed away.

If I have offended anyone in anyway I sincerely apologize as it was never my intention. I joined this forum in the hopes of either getting help for me to do it myself start to finish or to at get her in proper working order prior to sending it off to be finished by a pro as I just can't afford for them to do it all. If I'm wrong and have upset the forum I hope my apology will be accepted, if not mods please delete my account and I won't bother any of you again.

cirelaw · 06-28-2012, 10:25 PM

You a lucky man. my Father left us when I was 5 and all I have was a coffee mug, I think I understand your kinship to your Dad. He would like you to keep it as you found it, I'm sure! Its not your turn to polish His past. Someday you may have a legacy to pass on. I wouldn't want the to feel like you do now. Use this guidance. You have your whole life ahead in which to collect some beautiful. Pick a beaty you both could be proud of. I learned if you continue to look back you will trip fowards. He deserve your respect and alot better luger. Nice going.You deserve BETTER! He would insist I'm sure!!

Terry Tiell · 06-28-2012, 10:33 PM

Thanks Cirelaw. He wanted to redo it himself as well but could never find the parts for it, thankfully we now have the internet and I have been able to get her into firing shape again. Now I'd just love to finish her off to look as good as she shoots, at 50 yards she has a grouping the size of a softball. In my other thread some have mentioned rust bluing and I think I'm probly stuck doing it myself due to the reasons you mentioned above. Thats ok I guess just unfortunate as I did not know what I was doing would make the pros shy away from finishing it if I chose that course.

And just to think I was foolish enough to actually think I was doing a good job and wanted to share it with all of you. I feel like such a moron.

wlyon · 06-29-2012, 09:56 AM

Terry
Not sure what the problem is. Nothing wrong with you getting this in shooting shape. Finish what your father didn't. It is a shooter so no harm done on whatever you do. Have fun and enjoy. Sometimes people on here get some weird ideas but most are sincere. Bill

06-26-2012, 12:16 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Please post pictures of every step of your Luger's resurrection! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-26-2012, 04:10 PM	#7
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Welcome to the forum Terry. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

06-29-2012, 09:56 AM	#20
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	Terry Not sure what the problem is. Nothing wrong with you getting this in shooting shape. Finish what your father didn't. It is a shooter so no harm done on whatever you do. Have fun and enjoy. Sometimes people on here get some weird ideas but most are sincere. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

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06-24-2012, 03:09 PM	#1
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Hello everyone. UPDATED WITH NEW PICS IN POST #15. First and foremost THANK YOU THOR and JOHN for helping me register! Secondly hello everyone glad to be here and take in the wealth of information from you experts. My father passed away years ago and left me an old German Luger he found while metal detecting in a drained fresh water reservoir. God only know how long she was down there on how she came to be there in the first place. Being he was a Baltimore City police officer he tried to clean it up but he made the mistake of not keeping the gun submerged till he could get around to it so rust set it and pitted it pretty badly, his solution was to sand, file, and grind the rust out making things even worse. So this is what I started out with about a month ago when I decided it was time she came back from the grave. I sent TONS of pics to Thor who gave me a sad news that the barrel and upper were probly too far gone to save and then be able to safely fire so I went out and found a new/old barrel and upper from a 1913 Luger that looks much better then does for $200 shipped to my front door so its on the way. I've so far replaced the grips, grip screws, main spring, firing pin spring and trigger spring. I also spent the better part of 2 days welding new metal into the lower to fill the pitting rather then my dads way of grinding it out. Then I filed, sanded, buffed and polished her till she almost looks chromed or nickel plated! I'm almost done with the lower but I need to get finer files to get rid of the rest of my tooling marks. Yesterday for the 1st time in I know for a fact at least 35 years I fired her. At 50 yards she had a grouping the size of a softball so I know my barrel may be tired but its by no means worthless. Once I get done with the lower I plan to lightly sand blast it to frost the metal prior to my other first, hot bluing. Once I get done with the metal work I'll post more pics of the lower. Now please keep in mind this gun was BAD off and this is my first ever attempt at rebuilding a gun of any kind. Last edited by Terry Tiell; 06-28-2012 at 08:02 PM.

06-24-2012, 03:23 PM	#2
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	Welcome, I look forward to seeing your pistols metamorphosis

06-24-2012, 04:42 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	One door opens another. I have no memories of even haveing a father. Cherish every moment! Eric Ps Drop by anytime!

06-24-2012, 09:21 PM	#4
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	Very cool! Good luck!

06-25-2012, 06:11 PM	#5
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Ok so I sand blasted the lower and it looks like its brand new just out of the mold but should I polish it before I blue it or just blue it as is?

06-27-2012, 07:07 AM	#9
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Yeah it didn't turn out the way I was hoping for after I blued it it looks dark grey, not a fan. Polcieluger is helping me out in another thread as to what I need to do or if I should just send it to him to finish but without the bluing.

06-27-2012, 01:47 PM	#10
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	Due to the condition of your Luger as it is currently, you have to decide what you really want for an end result. There are folks out there that are masters at metal work and draw filing, and though it can not be brought back to like new without a lot of welding etc., it can be markedly improved, and return an old tired "warhorse" back to a good life....and one that one could take pride in. My .02

06-27-2012, 06:03 PM	#11
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Thats kinda what I'm leaning toward Rhuff. My new parts should be in by the end of the week and once I see how she fires I'll go from there. So long as the wife doesn't object too badly that is.

06-28-2012, 01:42 PM	#12
Greg B. User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 34 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	You are in an envious position with that Luger. From your post there is about $200.00 invested and it already shoots better tham what I could do at 50 yds. Thor could probably make that pistol look like new and it still would not cost much more than a store bought shooter. My $.02 worth. Greg B.

06-28-2012, 01:50 PM	#13
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	My new 1913 barrel and upper just got here so I'm gonna test it out as soon as I finish cleaning the lower better. I don't want to mess with the upper till I find out EXACTLY what I need to do to it. It looks fantastic and I don't want to screw it up.

06-28-2012, 05:09 PM	#14
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	Please keep us informed, and pictures are just a plus for us!!

06-28-2012, 08:01 PM	#15
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Here's the latest pics let me know what you all think. Should I continue to try to do this myself or should I ship her off to an expert such as Thor?

06-28-2012, 09:04 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I don't beleive anyone will touch your work! They all have there practices and procedure. Your stepping in doesn't help!

06-28-2012, 09:58 PM	#17
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	I was told a grand to restore it and it would never be safe to fire. So far it not only fires but has a grouping the size of a softball at 50 yards. I couldn't afford to spend $1000 to restore it into a mantel piece so I decided to do what I could and then I'd probly send it off to be finished by a pro hopefully saving some money. All I did so far was to clean up the lower and buy a new upper and barrel and grips and springs and magazine so I don't see where I stepped in and did anything wrong. I understand the pieces turned out by guys like Thor are works of art the likes I could never hope to approach or eclipse and I'm not trying to. All I'm trying to do is finish up something that my father started but could never finish before he passed away. If I have offended anyone in anyway I sincerely apologize as it was never my intention. I joined this forum in the hopes of either getting help for me to do it myself start to finish or to at get her in proper working order prior to sending it off to be finished by a pro as I just can't afford for them to do it all. If I'm wrong and have upset the forum I hope my apology will be accepted, if not mods please delete my account and I won't bother any of you again.

06-28-2012, 10:25 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	You a lucky man. my Father left us when I was 5 and all I have was a coffee mug, I think I understand your kinship to your Dad. He would like you to keep it as you found it, I'm sure! Its not your turn to polish His past. Someday you may have a legacy to pass on. I wouldn't want the to feel like you do now. Use this guidance. You have your whole life ahead in which to collect some beautiful. Pick a beaty you both could be proud of. I learned if you continue to look back you will trip fowards. He deserve your respect and alot better luger. Nice going.You deserve BETTER! He would insist I'm sure!!

06-28-2012, 10:33 PM	#19
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Thanks Cirelaw. He wanted to redo it himself as well but could never find the parts for it, thankfully we now have the internet and I have been able to get her into firing shape again. Now I'd just love to finish her off to look as good as she shoots, at 50 yards she has a grouping the size of a softball. In my other thread some have mentioned rust bluing and I think I'm probly stuck doing it myself due to the reasons you mentioned above. Thats ok I guess just unfortunate as I did not know what I was doing would make the pros shy away from finishing it if I chose that course. And just to think I was foolish enough to actually think I was doing a good job and wanted to share it with all of you. I feel like such a moron.