Luger identication help

[Ron Wood]

If you haven't gotten in trouble with Albert, you probably have very little to contribute to a spirited debate. Welcome to the club!

P.S. This is not a slam at Albert...he is a good guy, just stubborn and a little short on tact.

[Imperial Arms]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

If you haven't gotten in trouble with Albert, you probably have very little to contribute to a spirited debate. Welcome to the club!

P.S. This is not a slam at Albert...he is a good guy, just stubborn and a little short on tact.

My friend Ron knows me quite well even though he and I have had a couple of different opinions in the past on some particular areas - which is fare enough. The differences and debates that we have exchanged have always been respectful and most often with good spirit. I welcome the discussions based on common sense and logic, but not those topics which have ties to some bad individuals who have a different agenda. Sometimes I cannot figure out the stupidity of those 'experts' and those collectors who wish to believe it based on unfounded information, therefore, I tend to become 'stubborn' in accepting their views which can be outlandish.

I may not always use the proper words like my friend Ron, so sometimes other people may interprete it as an 'insult' which is usually not my intention, unless someone wishes to attack me. To the person who called me a 'jughead', that is an insult to me, but I do not need to explain why I have more knowledge about German pistols than compared to him. Since I am open to education and for the quest of more knowledge (and finding those pistols as well) after 28 years in the hobby, I shall accept my mistakes when made and afterwards search for the reasons why I was wrong.

My position has always been to share information with fellow collectors and often I enjoy chatting with the 'newbies' who will one day replace us in our society. With the availability of cheap or free internet telephony, I have even taken the time to call some of those people to have a chat. I am not arrogant or rude as some people may say, on the other hand, I am quite a likable guy if you know me well who wants to have a good conversation and a laugh. Over the many years, I have gone pretty far always keeping my reputation and honesty at the highest level, and I shall maintain this level with those people who want to share it with me.

Happy hunting,
Albert

[pepe]

Hello friends

.A gun whith 72 post in the Lugerforum a is always interesting object !!
Meanwhile I dismantled it and I'll post some pictures of the marks I encountered.
Do you agree the numbers are all false?

thanks
pepe

[pepe]

Ron
Can i have your opinion om my last post ?
regards
~pepe

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

If you haven't gotten in trouble with Albert, you probably have very little to contribute to a spirited debate. Welcome to the club!

P.S. This is not a slam at Albert...he is a good guy, just stubborn and a little short on tact.

For those of us who have not read Albert's abbreviated bio, it can be found here -

http://luger.gunboards.com/showpost....6&postcount=59

[LugerVern]

Hi Pepe

You have an interesting gun, yes it has been restored and as such will drive collectors crazy with speculations.

Many consider a restored gun to be a fake no matter what the quality, it is hard to discuss possibilities with thoes who see things only in that light.

Your gun has several issues, Ron says the numbers are not correct and I agree with him, but this is common to many restorations

What is the 20 number? It could be an inventory number from a school, a police department, a special security guard force, guns hand selected for a special purpose from a larger batch. It could have a dozen or so reasons for being.

I would try and find some connection, go back as far as you can in its history of ownership, you might find the answer.

The made in Germany stamp is not just a one way stamp, often we find guns that have come originally to the USA and then back overseas. We sometimes forget that we had marketers who would have sold guns not to just the USA but to oversea contacts as well had the opportunity given itself.

It was all about making money.

Don't give up on your gun, it is very nice to look at and could have some historical importance. You may never be able to prove it however.

I noticed something in one of your pictures that I did find interesting, there is what appears to be the remnant of a Crown B at about the one o'clock position near the 20.
Hard to see but I think something is there.

Thanks for posting Pepe! always interesting


Vern

[LugerVern]

Hi Pepe

The numbers on your gun have been redone at some point, there is very little doubt. Exactly when this was done no one will be able to tell you. So your friend may very well be telling the truth.

I have looked at your gun very closely and I believe your gun is actually in the 15000 range not the 1500 range.

I see a proper DWM 1 & 5 above your SN and based on the spacing believe that your gun is SN 15584

This is based on the pictures you provided and there is some chance of error in the exact number.

I would like for the other members to comment on my observations.

The 1900's are a little out of my area so my question to them is if I am correct would this make the rest of the gun more appropriate, safety lever for example.

As far as your gun being a Portuguese Test gun, we have a long way to go to prove this but if I am correct in the SN this is much closer to the range that we would expect. that being around 18700


I look forward to hearing from the other members

Vern