Luger identication help

[Norme]

Originally Posted by tomaustin

operating under other names......same level of arrogance...tom

Hi Tom, Albert is not the serial spammer who was just shown the door. He is a long time member of both forums and is very knowledgeable about early Lugers. He is just having an off day. Regards, Norm

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by tomaustin

operating under other names......same level of arrogance...tom

Oh no, Albert is very polite and sane compared to this L. Argo guy; that guy has written me numerous times via the admin email (Jan Stills forum) on what a jerk I am on the luger forum (this one).

Alberto is just rude and believe's that other folks are not very smart, however, I must point out to all you who claim to be ignorant and stupid, that only two people had written before Alberto made his normal remarks. Me and poor David.

And Albert, I do look and consider before I write, this was an obvious restore, the color was totally wrong, the grips wrong, just the feel of it. And remember that I many times say, that to be careful; that judging from a few pictures does not always tell the truth.
Well, to my eye, it was wrong instantly, and unsure why you took a contrary position of immediately saying it was a most likely a 99-100% gun. That is a leap of faith that astounded me.


Ed

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by pepe

Ron

Thanks for your opinion.I have some prety good photos that can help your analise but i`m being tryng to post them for 2 hours without sucess......

They just need to be made smaller, then they will post.

Crop, then make them smaller....


Ed

[wlyon]

Pepe ; In this luger collecting world we have many differing opinions. In this case if Ron Wood says it's a fake then stay away from it. Certain experts should be listened to, Ron is one of them. What ever you decide to do is up to you and you alone but you have been warned. Good luck. "Ignorant Bill"

[Ron Smith]

"In my “ignorant” opinion, this is a refinished gun with replacement parts and an obvious forgery that is an attempt to replicate an early Portuguese test piece. I also find it amusing that an outstanding restoration could not be made in Portugal…there are “artisans” in every country!"

Pepe,

At the risk of being ignorant, jealous, ill informed, pregnant or brain damaged. I'm not an expert on the mechanical aspects of 1900 Lugers, but I'm with my friend Ron. Your Luger is a beautifully done, restored 1900. It is a nice Luger, but not original. The finish is too dark (black) and the straw on the trigger and safety is too bright, like brass.

Ron

[alanint]

The new photos are better. They make the poor fitting grips that much more obvious. This is a restored gun with new, replacement grips.

[pepe]

Assuming it is a refinished gun does it have any value in the luger matket ?

[Imperial Arms]

Thanks for the better images. My comments will follow tomorrow after reviewing the images. Briefly, I do now observe some partial restoration, and I always try to avoid rushing to judgement unlike some other collectors on the forums.

Albert

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by Imperial Arms

I always try to avoid rushing to judgement unlike some other collectors on the forums.

Albert

I think I'll let that one slide.

In your deliberation before you render your opinion, I would appreciate your giving these images the benefit of your expert and careful analysis.

[alanint]

Originally Posted by Imperial Arms

Thanks for the better images. My comments will follow tomorrow after reviewing the images. Briefly, I do now observe some partial restoration, and I always try to avoid rushing to judgement unlike some other collectors on the forums.

Albert

Better late than never, eh, Albert? We breathlessly await your expert opinion. Please, educate us all!

[lugerholsterrepair]

I truely am ignorant and still a student..Why is the upper left corner of the sideplate rounded? Are 1900's this way? I don't own one so it looks odd to me...

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Why is the upper left corner of the sideplate rounded? Are 1900's this way?

No.

[nukem556]

I'm guessing Rons' point about the toggle knobs might involve those flats....looking at my 1900, there is only a bare hint of one on the lock side, on the other side, the scallop cuts all the way into touching the serrations.

[pepe]

Thank very much for all the opinians

But the discussion was to tecnical for me and poor english !

Can someone give me some kind of conclusion ?The gun is a is a Collectible or a Shooter?

This it worth 1000 dollars ?
regards
pepe

PS (sorry for my english )

[Douglas Jr.]

Originally Posted by pepe

Thank very much for all the opinians

But the discussion was to tecnical for me and poor english !

Can someone give me some kind of conclusion ?The gun is a is a Collectible or a Shooter?

This it worth 1000 dollars ?
regards
pepe

PS (sorry for my english )

Pepe,

Eu sou brasileiro e posso lhe ajudar.
A pistola foi restaurada, com algumas modificações que lhe retiram o valor como item de coleção para os mais puristas. Seria, portanto, uma "shooter" e não valeria os mil dólares pedidos.

Contudo, é preciso ver que a maioria dos membros deste fórum se baseiam em critérios que nem sempre são universais. As vezes as particularidades de determinados "mercados" faz com certas regras sejam deixadas de lado a fim de possibilitar que alguém monte uma coleção. É o que acontece na Inglaterra, por exemplo, onde as armas são obrigatoriamente desativadas - assim, eles precisam montar suas coleções admitindo essa limitação que, em outros lugares (como nos Estados Unidos) acaba condenando a peça.

Eu não sei qual a realidade do mercado português, mas pense nisso.

Boa sorte!

Douglas

[A.Mifsin]

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

No.

Am I mistaken if I say Albert's Luger Sideplate is also round ? When, if I understood correctly Ron said " No". to a question by Jerry. Just asking.
Alf.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Ron, Thanks!

[Imperial Arms]

After reviewing the better images, I suppose that I can now make the following comments without rushing like other people. Remember that "you are innocent until proven guilty":

1. The trigger, safety lever and takedown lever are restrawed; the ejector and toggle lock appear to be original straw;
2. The left grip is a replacement and the right grip appears to be fine;
3. The front sight appears to be fire-blued, but difficult to determine if it is original;
4. I suppose that the major parts of the pistol has been refinished, with the restorer paying attention to specific details.

Lastly, this pistol is not a total 'fake', instead it has been partially restored; it has not been altered to enhance its rarity. Considering that these pistols are forbidden in certain EU countries such as Portugal (and France), I sometimes wonder which expert does an excellent restoration without creating to much exposure in that country.

Albert

[Norme]

Albert, I'm sorry that my colleagues on the forum are giving you such a hard time, I don't think they appreciate the subtleties of Maltese humor. I do, however, and can't wait to get back to debating the great Russian/Bulgarian issue with you. Your friend, Norm

[wlyon]

Albert ; I do not usually get involved in squabbles on the forums. However I for one am tired of your continual attitude problems.
I am sure you have a great deal of luger knowledge but this is generally negated by your attitude towards forum members.
We are all here to learn but you abuse the privilege.
I am convinced you can not help yourself but please try.
Norm above states it's Maltese humor. To me its plain old American Rude.
Have a great day
Bill