Fleur de Lys marked lugers

Vlim · 03-14-2011, 12:19 PM

Just assuming for the sake of arguments that the guns are legit:

Why would a company like 'Manufacture Francaise' or 'Manufrance' mark their cases with 'St Etienne' (the name of the town one of their outfits was located in)?

ManuFrance had their sales offices in Paris and were quite proud to advertise that fact in their own catalogues. They were equally fond of their name, so the last thing they would do was NOT mark it with their own name (and address) but with the name of some obscure town where their manufacturing department was located...

It's like Ford putting 'Detroit' on their cars, instead of 'Ford'.....

LugerVern · 03-14-2011, 10:13 PM

When we see a beautiful gun that has been customized, it is easy to get lost in that beauty.

Is it real? It depends on what we are trying to determine.

The case was obviously made years after the gun to enhance the sets overall appeal.

The guns look great until you examine the crest, we train ourselves to look for consistency and the crest simply does not have the same consistency as the rest of the gun, meaning that it was most likely " engraved sometime later" .

I have heard the phrase " roll die & stamped" used in conjunction with this gun and I do not believe this is correct.

A roll die or stamp used to make such deep impressions would have upset a great deal of metal and we just do not see this. Also there are signs that someone has tried to enhance the halos around the crest, too much of a good thing. The halos are inconsistent, they are not in the right locations.

A beautiful presentation set " YES" and anyone would be happy to own them.

Vern

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03-14-2011, 12:19 PM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,991 Times in 1,205 Posts	Just assuming for the sake of arguments that the guns are legit: Why would a company like 'Manufacture Francaise' or 'Manufrance' mark their cases with 'St Etienne' (the name of the town one of their outfits was located in)? ManuFrance had their sales offices in Paris and were quite proud to advertise that fact in their own catalogues. They were equally fond of their name, so the last thing they would do was NOT mark it with their own name (and address) but with the name of some obscure town where their manufacturing department was located... It's like Ford putting 'Detroit' on their cars, instead of 'Ford'.....

03-14-2011, 10:13 PM	#2
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	When we see a beautiful gun that has been customized, it is easy to get lost in that beauty. Is it real? It depends on what we are trying to determine. The case was obviously made years after the gun to enhance the sets overall appeal. The guns look great until you examine the crest, we train ourselves to look for consistency and the crest simply does not have the same consistency as the rest of the gun, meaning that it was most likely " engraved sometime later" . I have heard the phrase " roll die & stamped" used in conjunction with this gun and I do not believe this is correct. A roll die or stamp used to make such deep impressions would have upset a great deal of metal and we just do not see this. Also there are signs that someone has tried to enhance the halos around the crest, too much of a good thing. The halos are inconsistent, they are not in the right locations. A beautiful presentation set " YES" and anyone would be happy to own them. Vern