Lugers With Ground-off Stock Lugs Data Request

[MikeP]

I saw a couple ground Lugers about 1960 and recall the story.
It just involved the legality in the USA.

They were not commonly seen.

I had a mint C96 rig, all matching including stock and 1916 leather I got from a vet neighbor.
They were illegal then and I had to give it up in 1966 just before going to the army.
Got ratted out by a fool in my dorm.
That was one nice pistol!

[Thor]

Don, I have seen maybe 10 in the process of restoring around 300 shooter Lugers. That will give you a rough percentage from one source. I did not think to keep track of them and I dont take a lot of pictures anymore. Sorry I was not more help. BTW, I know Hub has fixed some of them the way John Sabato mentioned. Also, when he makes the Baby Lugers he cuts out a portion of the frame all across it and rewelds it using special mandrels/heat sinks to align the frame/magazine well. The cut section actually rusts blues pretty good.

[regul]

Don;
I dont know if this will help but my 1920 Commercial DWM .30 Cal., 3-7/8 barrel shooter serial #633 (o) has the stock lug ground so heavily there is a hole in the back grip strap.

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by regul

Don;
I dont know if this will help but my 1920 Commercial DWM .30 Cal., 3-7/8 barrel shooter serial #633 (o) has the stock lug ground so heavily there is a hole in the back grip strap.

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I couldn't believe that...I had to take my 30 cal commercial grips off and look...Sure enough, you are correct - there is a long rounded cavity in the backstrap where the recoil spring fits (drill hole)...and your hole looks like it is right at the bottom of that cavity...

...I didn't think the backstrap was that thin...

[Don M]

Originally Posted by regul

Don;
I dont know if this will help but my 1920 Commercial DWM .30 Cal., 3-7/8 barrel shooter serial #633 (o) has the stock lug ground so heavily there is a hole in the back grip strap.

Looks like Bubba got ahold of this one.

Barring receipt of new information, I have concluded that two Weimar-era police units removed stock lugs, almost certainly at the insistence of French occupation forces:
* The Hessische Polizei (H.P.) in the occupied portions of Hessen recieved newly manufactured Lugers from BKIW (in the upper u and lower v series) in late 1929 and/or early 1930. There are many examples and all have their stock lugs very professionally removed. There are a number of older Lugers with H.P. markings that do have stock lugs. I believe these were issued earlier to the Schupo outside of the occupation zone.
* The Prussian Schupo in the occupied city of Wiesbaden also removed stock lugs very professionally. Although only three examples are known to me, I a very confident that this modification was done during the French occupation. They all are marked S.W.II.

(See HWIS Chapters 8 and 16.)

Based on this, I think it is highly likely that any Luger with a ground stock lug that is not marked H.P. or S.W.II. was altered here in the good old U.S. of A.

[mastermo]

Originally Posted by postino

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I couldn't believe that...I had to take my 30 cal commercial grips off and look...Sure enough, you are correct - there is a long rounded cavity in the backstrap where the recoil spring fits (drill hole)...and your hole looks like it is right at the bottom of that cavity...

...I didn't think the backstrap was that thin...

---Postino, is your gun different then the action gun on the HOME Page? Because the way it actuates the recoil spring is not connected to the back strap or anything, it works with a rod within it independently.
M

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by mastermo

---Postino, is your gun different then the action gun on the HOME Page? Because the way it actuates the recoil spring is not connected to the back strap or anything, it works with a rod within it independently.
M

...Uh...What???...

No...I was referring to the channel that the recoil spring fits in...

[mastermo]

Originally Posted by postino

...Uh...What???...

No...I was referring to the channel that the recoil spring fits in...

---Oh, oh, and I was refering to the hole on Regul's pictured hole, when you replied. And I thought you were too, not the 'channel.'
M