Whats it worth? My 1st Luger (rig) purchase

[lugerholsterrepair]

Hi Jason, Welcome to "The Luger Forum"! I know you must think that your welcome so far has been far from friendly, but you should understand that sharing knowledge and experience, and critiquing guns is what this forum is all about. Norm has said it well..

Jason,Take what information you get here and use it to help you understand your new pistol. Don't get your back up and become emotional. Many of the guys here who are taking the time and trouble to analize your pistol are very experienced and knowledgable.They have seen hundreds if not thousands. Not just yours.
None of us are infallible but hear what they have to say and try your best to provide the needed information. After all..you came to ask for opinions.
I know its almost impossible to value a gun without a "hands on" veiwing but please feel free to reply with your opinons. THANKS

Jerry Burney

[Mauser George]

SEIGER:

In your post above, you are able to describe exactly how to spot a fake pair of Luger grips based on fit! I take it that grips that do not fit a Luger per your description are fakes! Does this hold true even though they may have a matching serial number stamped on the reverse side of each grip?

I also see where you were able describe what an air tight fit is and that that this so called air tight fit will often chip the grip, yielding the “million dollar chip” often seen on well used Lugers! Did you think this stuff up or did someone tell you this?

I have seen Lugers that the wood grip fit is not 100% as wood shrinks, yet they are original. I have also seen next to mint Lugers with a chip out of the corner by the safety that appear to be hardly fired.

I was always under the believe that the chip was due to the fact that the wood towards the end of the grip were thin, yet the problem is that the wood grip sticks to the safety lever/frame and is broken when left grip is lifted as it is stuck and not at all due to your air tight fit theory.

George

PS: Jason, you have a very nice 1941 byf Mauser Luger and it looks 100% original finish to me. I don’t own a byf Luger with two matching magazines. Your Luger is very desirable!

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Mauser George

SEIGER:

In your post above, you are able to describe exactly how to spot a fake pair of Luger grips based on fit! I take it that grips that do not fit a Luger per your description are fakes! Does this hold true even though they may have a matching serial number stamped on the reverse side of each grip?

I also see where you were able describe what an air tight fit is and that that this so called air tight fit will often chip the grip, yielding the “million dollar chip” often seen on well used Lugers! Did you think this stuff up or did someone tell you this?

I have seen Lugers that the wood grip fit is not 100% as wood shrinks, yet they are original. I have also seen next to mint Lugers with a chip out of the corner by the safety that appear to be hardly fired.

I was always under the believe that the chip was due to the fact that the wood towards the end of the grip were thin, yet the problem is that the wood grip sticks to the safety lever/frame and is broken when left grip is lifted as it is stuck and not at all due to your air tight fit theory.

George

PS: Jason, you have a very nice 1941 byf Mauser Luger and it looks 100% original finish to me. I don’t own a byf Luger with two matching magazines. Your Luger is very desirable!

Dear Mauser George:

Let me answer you respectfully.

To each his own!

Believe it or not, professional opinions often differ.

If you feel the Luger in question is 100% correct, feel free to buy one just like it in the future, but don't expect everyone with almost 40 years of experience to agree with you.

From the photos presented here, I have great doubts regarding the correctness of the grips shown. This, however, is my opinion, which, quite obviously, you do not share.

By the way, there are some other elements of the grips that make me doubt their correctness, but I'll not share these here, for fear of causing hard feelings, or stepping on someone else's feet.

Happy trails to you

Sieger

[bijj62]

Originally Posted by Mauser George

SEIGER:

In your post above, you are able to describe exactly how to spot a fake pair of Luger grips based on fit! I take it that grips that do not fit a Luger per your description are fakes! Does this hold true even though they may have a matching serial number stamped on the reverse side of each grip?

I also see where you were able describe what an air tight fit is and that that this so called air tight fit will often chip the grip, yielding the “million dollar chip” often seen on well used Lugers! Did you think this stuff up or did someone tell you this?

I have seen Lugers that the wood grip fit is not 100% as wood shrinks, yet they are original. I have also seen next to mint Lugers with a chip out of the corner by the safety that appear to be hardly fired.

I was always under the believe that the chip was due to the fact that the wood towards the end of the grip were thin, yet the problem is that the wood grip sticks to the safety lever/frame and is broken when left grip is lifted as it is stuck and not at all due to your air tight fit theory.

George

PS: Jason, you have a very nice 1941 byf Mauser Luger and it looks 100% original finish to me. I don’t own a byf Luger with two matching magazines. Your Luger is very desirable!

George, THANK YOU for your reply. I have a feeling that just because I am a new to the world of Lugers some people must think that I'm totally new to guns in general. I have been around enough to tell the difference between an original finish on a gun to a re-finished gun. I may not know everything there is to know about Lugers (my reason for joining the forum) but I can't believe some of the responses I've gotten. It's nice to know thar there are legitiment members out there and that my joining wasn't a total waste of time.

[Mauser George]

SIEGER:

Dear Mauser George:

Let me answer you respectfully.
“That’s the only way to do it”

To each his own!
“Absolutely”

Believe it or not, professional opinions often differ. “
Yes, they certainly do. Many times it is due to that fact that some people simply repeat what they have heard”

If you feel the Luger in question is 100% correct, feel free to buy one just like it in the future, but don't expect everyone with almost 40 years of experience to agree with you.
“I am not asking you, nor do I expect anyone with almost 40 years of experience to agree with me or anything I said in regards to this posting”

From the photos presented here, I have great doubts regarding the correctness of the grips shown. This, however, is my opinion, which, quite obviously, you do not share.
“Yes sir, you are 100% correct in your thinking in this regard”

By the way, there are some other elements of the grips that make me doubt their correctness, but I'll not share these here, for fear of causing hard feelings, or stepping on someone else's feet.
“That’s very considerate of you”

Happy trails to you
“Most days are happy and full of adventure, thanks”

Sieger

PS: Are we on the same page in regards to what causes the left Luger grip to chip by the safety? Or is it still your feeling as you described as an air tight fit is what often chips the grip, yielding the “million dollar chip” often seen on well used Lugers. I ask as you neglected to address this concern and I was just wondering what your feeling is in this regard. Possibly I am mistaken.

George

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Mauser George

Sieger:

PS: Are we on the same page in regards to what causes the left Luger grip to chip by the safety? Or is it still your feeling as you described as an air tight fit is what often chips the grip, yielding the “million dollar chip” often seen on well used Lugers. I ask as you neglected to address this concern and I was just wondering what your feeling is in this regard. Possibly I am mistaken.

George

Dear George:

If I'm reading you correctly, you believe that the chip occurs only when the grips are removed.

It would be helpful if you would get a copy of the original DWM blueprint of the grip. An ability to read Geman would also be helpful here.

The grip fit at the back of the safety to the frame is a tight fit. Wood may shrink, but it may also expand through the application of oil, water or other moisture. When this occurs, a pressure point will be created at that very critical point. The pressure has to be relieved, one way or another, and the wood simply gives way here through a crack.

I hope that is an adequate answer.

Sieger

[Mauser George]

Sieger:

Reading me correctly is not at all difficult as all that is required is the ability to read and understand what is written. Sorry, I do not have access to an original DWM blueprint nor do I have the ability to read, write or speak German. What you need is a good spell checker!

All your Mumbo-Jumbo is just going in circles. You do have a unique ability of putting a spin on your messages that seem to go round and round and go nowhere yet always saying something different.

What is it going to be next, the walnut was not dried correctly and if I could read German I would understand the German wood drying process?

First it was air tight fit, second you claim it is expansion & contraction due to water or other moisture.

Stay cool and have a nice day in the big city of 8 million!

George

PS: Please drop the "Dear" in your posting as its meaning is not relevant here!

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Mauser George

Sieger:

Reading me correctly is not at all difficult as all that is required is the ability to read and understand what is written. Sorry, I do not have access to an original DWM blueprint nor do I have the ability to read, write or speak German. What you need is a good spell checker!

All your Mumbo-Jumbo is just going in circles. You do have a unique ability of putting a spin on your messages that seem to go round and round and go nowhere yet always saying something different.

What is it going to be next, the walnut was not dried correctly and if I could read German I would understand the German wood drying process?

First it was air tight fit, second you claim it is expansion & contraction due to water or other moisture.

Stay cool and have a nice day in the big city of 8 million!

George

PS: Please drop the "Dear" in your posting as its meaning is not relevant here!

Lieber Mauser Georg:

Mach deinen Scheiss alleine, du Klugscheisser!

Sieger