The Latest Lugers

[Vlim]

This Norinco prototype was recently discussed here. I found a reference to the same gun in a 1990s copy of Deutsches Waffenjournal.

The '1001' marking seems to suggest that this 'Norinco Prototype' is a reworked 'new' VoPo, but the detail photos on HH seem to show that it indeed is a (poorly made) copy of the P08.

[Michael Zeleny]

The finish of the Norinco pistol is atrocious, but I wonder about its fit. It is barely conceivable that they got the engineering right. By contrast, the Nedbal Luger looks very good, but is said to suffer from chronic operational failures. Maybe these two parties can get together to produce a flawless 9mm Parabellum replica.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Vlim

This Norinco prototype was recently discussed here. I found a reference to the same gun in a 1990s copy of Deutsches Waffenjournal.

The '1001' marking seems to suggest that this 'Norinco Prototype' is a reworked 'new' VoPo, but the detail photos on HH seem to show that it indeed is a (poorly made) copy of the P08.

Vlim:

I remember reading about the Chinese Luger in the same publication, again, in the early 1990s. The Journal, I believe, even tested one.

Sieger

[Michael Zeleny]

I don't see the attraction of the .45 Luger. History suggests that the ballistic legacy of John Moses Browning so well mated with automatic Colt pistols, is ill accommodated by the handgun designs of Hugo Borchardt and Georg Luger. If Norinco could get its act together to produce a historically correct and properly functioning 9mm Parabellum pistol fitted and finished to the pre-WWI DWM standard, they would have a best-seller at around $1195.00.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

I don't see the attraction of the .45 Luger. History suggests that the ballistic legacy of John Moses Browning so well mated with automatic Colt pistols, is ill accommodated by the handgun designs of Hugo Borchardt and Georg Luger. If Norinco could get its act together to produce a historically correct and properly functioning 9mm Parabellum pistol fitted and finished to the pre-WWI DWM standard, they would have a best-seller at around $1195.00.

Mike:

A properly set-up Luger in .45 works just fine (one of John Martz' creations for instance).

Aimco was thinking of marketing a .40 Luger, just before it went bottoms-up. This might have been a better alternative for those wanting more horse power than a 9MM Parabellum.

Could the Chinese manufacture an outstanding quality Luger recreation? Yes, of that I have no doubt, but at the price you are quoting above, it is doubtful.



Sieger

[suum cuique]

Maybe I would buy a Chinese Luger if the quality is better than in the early 1990"s and the price is right. (Just for the fun to have it). The Chinese Luger shown on the pictures has a poor finnish/quality from the standpoint of a buyer who expects an esthetic looking gun.
I bought a Norinco SKS back in the late 80's and this is a very reliable rifle.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by suum cuique

Maybe I would buy a Chinese Luger if the quality is better than in the early 1990"s and the price is right. (Just for the fun to have it). The Chinese Luger shown on the pictures has a poor finnish/quality from the standpoint of a buyer who expects an esthetic looking gun.
I bought a Norinco SKS back in the late 80's and this is a very reliable rifle.

A-1

I agree that the one in the photo looks like hell.

Sieger

[alvin]

Originally Posted by Michael Zeleny

If Norinco could get its act together to produce a historically correct and properly functioning 9mm Parabellum pistol fitted and finished to the pre-WWI DWM standard, they would have a best-seller at around $1195.00.

The price of postwar Luger has a cap -- the price of prewar Luger. And the market is very small. If there were a chance, Mitchell, AIMCO etc had not discontinued their stainless version. It's a dead-end.

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[Edit] With so many German Lugers, the market does not need another high quality high price reproduction. What missing was a low quality low price one, for example, a $200 new Luger, with this finish. It will compete with those "shooters" or parts gun that people spending $500-$700 on and had hard time to get them work (why guns do not work are called shooters? ) That's the target market.