Late Model Interarms Mausers

chuck · 01-01-2002, 11:50 AM

I realize that this question has surely been asked and answered before, but I've had some difficulty finding answers in the archived posts.

What does the membership here think of the 70s vintage Mauser/Interarms Lugers in a qualitative sense? I realize that collectibility is not among their virtues, but what of their fit, finish and functionality?

It seems to me that, assuming they were well made, these pistols might be a worthwhile alternative for Luger enthusiasts who have little immediate desire or ability to really involve themselves in the collector's market.

I can still recall visiting Interarms in the late 70s and being captivated by a "cartridge counter" variant in the display case. There seems to be little contemporary information available on these pistols, and I'm simply wondering how well they were made, how closely they replicated the earlier commercial pistols, and what sort of tooling was used to produce them.

Chuck

Marvin · 01-01-2002, 12:04 PM

Chuck,

You do ask a very good question and as far as I am concerned, they are a true Luger, built by Mauser. Although they have not cought on in the collectors market yet, I feel they are very collectible and should be taken as good of with care as any Luger. The prices are still reasonable now and it should fit into anyones collection.

I have seen several of these pistols and the ones I saw were well made with good fit and finish. I don't have any experience with reliability, but since they were made in Germany and tested at Mauser, they should be reliable. The tooling seems to be that from the Swiss arsenal and more closely fit the Swiss Luger in appearnace. My opinion is that they are nice pistols.

Marvin

Luke · 01-01-2002, 12:36 PM

Hugh · 01-01-2002, 01:41 PM

These are fine guns, accurate and precision made by Mauser, one of the original manufacturer's, on original Swiss machinery. I should have scanned it with the safety on, they are marked "SAFE" and "LOADED"

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/mauser1970luger1.jpg

stymie · 01-01-2002, 02:16 PM

I acquired one of the P.08/ Swiss framed hybrids w/ 6" bbl. chambered in 9mm. The trigger, take down lever & safety lever are nicely strawed... but are of a different configuration. The grips feel a bit bulkier than my Banner Police L & the grip safety takes some getting used to. Overall, it is beautifully made pistol w/ tack driving accuracy & eminently reliable.

stymie · 01-01-2002, 02:23 PM

I acquired one of the P.08/ Swiss framed hybrids w/ 6" bbl. chambered in 9mm. The trigger, take down lever & safety lever are nicely strawed... but are of a different configuration. The safety is also marked Gesichert. The grips feel a bit bulkier than my Banner Police L & the grip safety takes some getting used to. Overall, it is beautifully made pistol w/ tack driving accuracy & eminently reliable.

Luke · 01-01-2002, 02:30 PM

chuck · 01-01-2002, 03:35 PM

I've now seen several references (here and elsewhere) to the "Swiss" frame style, versus that of the standard P-08. I presume the latter is more desireable for whatever reason, but can someone elaborate on the differences between the two? Is the grip safety a part of this?

At this point, I'm still not sure how to recognize one from another, and I'm still not sure why this distinction has any real relevance. To make things even more confusing, it would appear that these late-model Mausers can actually fall into either (or both) categories -- is this true?

Chuck

Kyrie · 01-01-2002, 03:41 PM

Hi Chuck,

Qualitatively IÃ¢??d say they are the equal of DWM or Mauser commercial production. While they donÃ¢??t seem to have acquired much in the way of collector value, there is nothing wrong with them mechanically or cosmetically - fine pistols IMO

Best regards,

Kyrie

mauro · 01-01-2002, 04:01 PM

Dear Chuck,

I am an European collector of Mauser Parabellum Luger.

I start to collect these variants of Parabellum some years ago. I think these Lugers very intersting. I remember you that Mauser has the original blue print of Luger. Mr. August Weiss save these blue print from destruction at the end of WWII when Mauser was under French army occupation. The Mauser Parabellum are the last original Luger produced. Please let me know if you need some others details about these pistols.

Ciao

Mauro

Hugh · 01-01-2002, 05:45 PM

Chuck, The Swiss frame has a straight front grip profile, while the PO8 has the rounded "knob" at the bottom of the front grip strap. To some of us the PO8 has a more pleasing profile.

01-01-2002, 06:28 PM

Mauro, very interesting information.

This thread is nice, makes me want one of these "new" guns! I remember them first coming out and was interested then, and mostly forgot about them until recently!

Ed

schwob · 01-01-2002, 06:43 PM

How do these Lugers as 'after market' compare to these Mausers?

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...sp?Item2993183

01-01-2002, 07:14 PM

As far as quality goes, there is nothing lacking in these pistols. However, I too, am not enthralled with the grip safety. I find that it takes a conscious effort to depress this safety in order to free the trigger. It requires a distinct squeeze to disengage the safety. With the 1911 pistols the grip safety is depressed without even thinking about it. For this reason I would only use my postwar Luger for recreational shooting, as I could never really rely on it for protection with a clear mind. However, these pistols are worth the going price if purchased under $700, and should at least retain their value indefinitely, with a possibility of eventually becoming collectible.

01-02-2002, 02:14 AM

To all Parabellum owners: I purchased Interarms remaining stock of parts for these pistols, should anyone need them. Tom h

mauro · 01-03-2002, 02:50 PM

The 29/70 Mauser Parabellum model (similar to 1929 Swiss model) and 06/73 Mauser Parabellum model (similar to 1906 model) are common models and are not still interesting for a collection. The commemorative models (Bulgarian, Russian, Cartridge Counter, Swiss, P08, Navy, Artillery and Carbine) are very interesting. The quality of pistols is very good. It is no trivial to found on the market Navy, Artillery or Carbine commemorative. Mauser stops the production of Parabellum and sold all production line.

In my collection I have a Commemorative Artillery in .30 Luger with original Mauser leather suitcase, accessories and an engraved Werle shoulder stock. I can assure you that this is a pleasure for the eyes.

Mauro

chuck · 01-05-2002, 12:51 PM

Mauro,

Can you give me some idea what these newer Mausers (both the standard variants and the commemoratives) might cost in today's market (assuming they can be found)?

Chuck

John Sabato · 01-08-2002, 12:25 PM

01-01-2002, 11:50 AM	#1
chuck User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: delaware Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Late Model Interarms Mausers I realize that this question has surely been asked and answered before, but I've had some difficulty finding answers in the archived posts. What does the membership here think of the 70s vintage Mauser/Interarms Lugers in a qualitative sense? I realize that collectibility is not among their virtues, but what of their fit, finish and functionality? It seems to me that, assuming they were well made, these pistols might be a worthwhile alternative for Luger enthusiasts who have little immediate desire or ability to really involve themselves in the collector's market. I can still recall visiting Interarms in the late 70s and being captivated by a "cartridge counter" variant in the display case. There seems to be little contemporary information available on these pistols, and I'm simply wondering how well they were made, how closely they replicated the earlier commercial pistols, and what sort of tooling was used to produce them. Chuck

01-01-2002, 12:04 PM	#2
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers Chuck, You do ask a very good question and as far as I am concerned, they are a true Luger, built by Mauser. Although they have not cought on in the collectors market yet, I feel they are very collectible and should be taken as good of with care as any Luger. The prices are still reasonable now and it should fit into anyones collection. I have seen several of these pistols and the ones I saw were well made with good fit and finish. I don't have any experience with reliability, but since they were made in Germany and tested at Mauser, they should be reliable. The tooling seems to be that from the Swiss arsenal and more closely fit the Swiss Luger in appearnace. My opinion is that they are nice pistols. Marvin

01-01-2002, 12:36 PM	#3
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Could someone please post a picture of a 70s Mauser Luger? (EOM)

01-01-2002, 01:41 PM	#4
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Ask and thou shalt recieve These are fine guns, accurate and precision made by Mauser, one of the original manufacturer's, on original Swiss machinery. I should have scanned it with the safety on, they are marked "SAFE" and "LOADED" http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/mauser1970luger1.jpg

01-01-2002, 02:16 PM	#5
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	....great shooter/ collectable! I acquired one of the P.08/ Swiss framed hybrids w/ 6" bbl. chambered in 9mm. The trigger, take down lever & safety lever are nicely strawed... but are of a different configuration. The grips feel a bit bulkier than my Banner Police L & the grip safety takes some getting used to. Overall, it is beautifully made pistol w/ tack driving accuracy & eminently reliable.

01-01-2002, 02:23 PM	#6
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	....great shooter/ collectable! I acquired one of the P.08/ Swiss framed hybrids w/ 6" bbl. chambered in 9mm. The trigger, take down lever & safety lever are nicely strawed... but are of a different configuration. The safety is also marked Gesichert. The grips feel a bit bulkier than my Banner Police L & the grip safety takes some getting used to. Overall, it is beautifully made pistol w/ tack driving accuracy & eminently reliable.

01-01-2002, 02:30 PM	#7
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Thanks, Hugh. (EOM)

01-01-2002, 03:35 PM	#8
chuck User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: delaware Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Swiss frame style vs. the P-08 I've now seen several references (here and elsewhere) to the "Swiss" frame style, versus that of the standard P-08. I presume the latter is more desireable for whatever reason, but can someone elaborate on the differences between the two? Is the grip safety a part of this? At this point, I'm still not sure how to recognize one from another, and I'm still not sure why this distinction has any real relevance. To make things even more confusing, it would appear that these late-model Mausers can actually fall into either (or both) categories -- is this true? Chuck

01-01-2002, 03:41 PM	#9
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers Hi Chuck, Qualitatively IÃ¢??d say they are the equal of DWM or Mauser commercial production. While they donÃ¢??t seem to have acquired much in the way of collector value, there is nothing wrong with them mechanically or cosmetically - fine pistols IMO Best regards, Kyrie

01-01-2002, 04:01 PM	#10
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers Dear Chuck, I am an European collector of Mauser Parabellum Luger. I start to collect these variants of Parabellum some years ago. I think these Lugers very intersting. I remember you that Mauser has the original blue print of Luger. Mr. August Weiss save these blue print from destruction at the end of WWII when Mauser was under French army occupation. The Mauser Parabellum are the last original Luger produced. Please let me know if you need some others details about these pistols. Ciao Mauro

01-01-2002, 05:45 PM	#11
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Re: Swiss frame style vs. the P-08 Chuck, The Swiss frame has a straight front grip profile, while the PO8 has the rounded "knob" at the bottom of the front grip strap. To some of us the PO8 has a more pleasing profile.

01-01-2002, 06:28 PM	#12
66mustang Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers Mauro, very interesting information. This thread is nice, makes me want one of these "new" guns! I remember them first coming out and was interested then, and mostly forgot about them until recently! Ed

01-01-2002, 06:43 PM	#13
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers How do these Lugers as 'after market' compare to these Mausers? http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...sp?Item2993183

01-01-2002, 07:14 PM	#14
Herbert Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers As far as quality goes, there is nothing lacking in these pistols. However, I too, am not enthralled with the grip safety. I find that it takes a conscious effort to depress this safety in order to free the trigger. It requires a distinct squeeze to disengage the safety. With the 1911 pistols the grip safety is depressed without even thinking about it. For this reason I would only use my postwar Luger for recreational shooting, as I could never really rely on it for protection with a clear mind. However, these pistols are worth the going price if purchased under $700, and should at least retain their value indefinitely, with a possibility of eventually becoming collectible.

01-02-2002, 02:14 AM	#15
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers To all Parabellum owners: I purchased Interarms remaining stock of parts for these pistols, should anyone need them. Tom h

01-03-2002, 02:50 PM	#16
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers The 29/70 Mauser Parabellum model (similar to 1929 Swiss model) and 06/73 Mauser Parabellum model (similar to 1906 model) are common models and are not still interesting for a collection. The commemorative models (Bulgarian, Russian, Cartridge Counter, Swiss, P08, Navy, Artillery and Carbine) are very interesting. The quality of pistols is very good. It is no trivial to found on the market Navy, Artillery or Carbine commemorative. Mauser stops the production of Parabellum and sold all production line. In my collection I have a Commemorative Artillery in .30 Luger with original Mauser leather suitcase, accessories and an engraved Werle shoulder stock. I can assure you that this is a pleasure for the eyes. Mauro

01-05-2002, 12:51 PM	#17
chuck User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: delaware Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Late Model Interarms Mausers Mauro, Can you give me some idea what these newer Mausers (both the standard variants and the commemoratives) might cost in today's market (assuming they can be found)? Chuck

01-08-2002, 12:25 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Check with Tom Heller... he probably has a couple in stock. (EOM)

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