1902 fat barrel discovered - Page 3

wayne8661 · 01-07-2010, 06:28 PM

I have alot of excitement and anxiety going on at the same time next step is to get the grips off to Hugh

maddog350gt · 01-08-2010, 09:22 PM

Wayne;
I apologize for not following up with the name and contact information for the restorer I promised to send to you. It was Bill Adair and I found out that he had passed away. Looks like you found someone to do the work on your 1902 so good luck with it.
You may have seen the post I put up a couple of weeks ago about finding a 1902 Cartridge Counter gun that had been worked over extensively. I have been in contact with Gale Morgan about restoring this gun and it’s very expensive, but Gale won’t do a gun unless he does everything to bring it back to original. He told me that Parkerized guns were difficult to restore as the Parkerizing was a dip process and it was difficult to remove it from the interior of the gun. Gale wouldn’t do a gun unless he did the inside as well as the outside, but I don’t think that’s a high priority for everyone. I certainly wouldn’t worry about it in your case. He did say that the Parkerizing wasn’t very thick and could be removed from the exterior fairly easily. Post some pictures when you get it back!
Thanks,
Bob M.

wayne8661 · 01-09-2010, 02:37 PM

One of the first things Ken said to me when I spoke with him was that "It might take longer than expected Because he had to go over every inch of the luger inside and out " So I know he also is prepping the inside of the pistol. I hope everything comes out well .

Bob also congrats on the CC . I cant wait to see the finished result.

Wayne

Edward Tinker · 01-09-2010, 02:55 PM

Wayne, what approx does Ken charge for this? I would expect fairly expensive for a complete work over?

Ed

wayne8661 · 01-09-2010, 09:33 PM

Ed I am not exactly sure what the final tally will be but I dont think it will be as steep as I expected it to be,

Regards
Wayne

jamese · 01-10-2010, 08:40 AM

we sure would like some "after" photos

Jim

wayne8661 · 01-13-2010, 08:46 PM

OKay , Update I spoke with Ken today.
All the parkerizing is removed , The side plate is done the barrel is ready for bluing. The toggle is ready for bluing Grip safety is done. Basically he said the pistol is beautiful he has to finish prepping the inside of the pistol, The Eagle and Bug proofs on the toggle and slide rails are 100% , The Bug proofs on the barrel are still visible but shallow, (which they were already shallow and the calibre markings on the barrel are shallow,) I should have it back next week or the week after.

Ron Wood · 01-13-2010, 09:21 PM

With respect to the barrel BUG proofs, even on untouched original specimens the proofs are very shallow. I have a near mint '02 and FGS (Doug Smith) had one in the same condition a little over a year ago and the depth of the barrel proofs were almost identically shallow. For some reason DWM applied them with a light hand.
Really looking forward to the finished result photos.

wayne8661 · 01-13-2010, 09:33 PM

Ron I did my research and all photos of the originals seemed to be shallow to me also. How about the other barrel marking relating to the calibre Are these also shallow. Ken said that they are barely visible and i know from my inspection of the weapon before i sent it to Ken that these marks were barely visiblt with the naked eye.

I cant wait to see this either I asked Ken if he could email me some photos but he let me know that he is not computer savvy nor does he own a digital camera.

The next step once I get it back will be to send the grips to Hugh and to have something done about my broken Cal 9m/m wood bottom Magazine.

Wayne

wayne8661 · 01-28-2010, 09:28 PM

Spoke with Ken today , I will have it back next week He told me that his initial price would be a bit more because he spent more time getting the inside done correctly This is good news that he spent the time doing inside and out properly I cant wait to get it back,

cma22inc · 01-29-2010, 02:29 PM

GT can hook you up on the wood bottom repair / replacement.

Can't wait to see the restore work on this one.

wayne8661 · 01-29-2010, 07:47 PM

Yeah after I get the pistola back i will have the grips and wood bottom on the magazine redone. I am crossing my fingers that the restoration meets everyones approval. Ken seems confident that I will be extremely happy he say it looks like it is new in the box.

alvin · 01-29-2010, 10:28 PM

Wayne, here is my pre-approval

Waiting your pictures.

wayne8661 · 01-30-2010, 04:15 PM

OKAY THE BIG DAY HAS ARRIVED. I am very pleased with the way it turned out. I do have an issue with the toggle latch I believe this is supposed to be strawed and not blued but I think that shout not be a big issue to get fixed. I will take better quality photos when I have some more time but this is at least enough to give you guys a taste

wayne8661 · 01-30-2010, 04:19 PM

more pics

wayne8661 · 01-30-2010, 04:21 PM

more

wayne8661 · 01-30-2010, 04:27 PM

more

Ron Wood · 01-30-2010, 04:34 PM

What a wonderful transformation. Another treasure brought back to life. If ever there was a justified case for restoration, this is a prime example. I am very pleased that you have had the gun restored. Congratulations.
P.S. you are correct that the toggle latch should be strawed, and it is a very minor thing to have fixed.

wayne8661 · 01-30-2010, 04:36 PM

Ron does it get a thumbs up from you?

Ron Wood · 01-30-2010, 04:41 PM

Certainly! Once you get the grips, mag bottom and toggle latch done you will have a "new" fat barrel. With so few having been produced, survivng examples are a real collector's dream.

01-10-2010, 08:40 AM	#46
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	we sure would like some "after" photos Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

01-13-2010, 09:21 PM	#48
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	With respect to the barrel BUG proofs, even on untouched original specimens the proofs are very shallow. I have a near mint '02 and FGS (Doug Smith) had one in the same condition a little over a year ago and the depth of the barrel proofs were almost identically shallow. For some reason DWM applied them with a light hand. Really looking forward to the finished result photos. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-29-2010, 02:29 PM	#51
cma22inc User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa Bay FL Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	GT can hook you up on the wood bottom repair / replacement. Can't wait to see the restore work on this one. __________________ Matt A. Tampa, FL (C&R) Collector

01-30-2010, 04:34 PM	#58
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	What a wonderful transformation. Another treasure brought back to life. If ever there was a justified case for restoration, this is a prime example. I am very pleased that you have had the gun restored. Congratulations. P.S. you are correct that the toggle latch should be strawed, and it is a very minor thing to have fixed. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-30-2010, 04:41 PM	#60
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	Certainly! Once you get the grips, mag bottom and toggle latch done you will have a "new" fat barrel. With so few having been produced, survivng examples are a real collector's dream. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-07-2010, 06:28 PM	#41
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I have alot of excitement and anxiety going on at the same time next step is to get the grips off to Hugh

01-08-2010, 09:22 PM	#42
maddog350gt User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Washougal WA Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Wayne; I apologize for not following up with the name and contact information for the restorer I promised to send to you. It was Bill Adair and I found out that he had passed away. Looks like you found someone to do the work on your 1902 so good luck with it. You may have seen the post I put up a couple of weeks ago about finding a 1902 Cartridge Counter gun that had been worked over extensively. I have been in contact with Gale Morgan about restoring this gun and it’s very expensive, but Gale won’t do a gun unless he does everything to bring it back to original. He told me that Parkerized guns were difficult to restore as the Parkerizing was a dip process and it was difficult to remove it from the interior of the gun. Gale wouldn’t do a gun unless he did the inside as well as the outside, but I don’t think that’s a high priority for everyone. I certainly wouldn’t worry about it in your case. He did say that the Parkerizing wasn’t very thick and could be removed from the exterior fairly easily. Post some pictures when you get it back! Thanks, Bob M.

01-09-2010, 02:37 PM	#43
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	One of the first things Ken said to me when I spoke with him was that "It might take longer than expected Because he had to go over every inch of the luger inside and out " So I know he also is prepping the inside of the pistol. I hope everything comes out well . Bob also congrats on the CC . I cant wait to see the finished result. Wayne

01-09-2010, 02:55 PM	#44
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,608 Times in 2,123 Posts	Wayne, what approx does Ken charge for this? I would expect fairly expensive for a complete work over? Ed

01-09-2010, 09:33 PM	#45
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Ed I am not exactly sure what the final tally will be but I dont think it will be as steep as I expected it to be, Regards Wayne

01-13-2010, 08:46 PM	#47
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	OKay , Update I spoke with Ken today. All the parkerizing is removed , The side plate is done the barrel is ready for bluing. The toggle is ready for bluing Grip safety is done. Basically he said the pistol is beautiful he has to finish prepping the inside of the pistol, The Eagle and Bug proofs on the toggle and slide rails are 100% , The Bug proofs on the barrel are still visible but shallow, (which they were already shallow and the calibre markings on the barrel are shallow,) I should have it back next week or the week after.

01-13-2010, 09:33 PM	#49
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Ron I did my research and all photos of the originals seemed to be shallow to me also. How about the other barrel marking relating to the calibre Are these also shallow. Ken said that they are barely visible and i know from my inspection of the weapon before i sent it to Ken that these marks were barely visiblt with the naked eye. I cant wait to see this either I asked Ken if he could email me some photos but he let me know that he is not computer savvy nor does he own a digital camera. The next step once I get it back will be to send the grips to Hugh and to have something done about my broken Cal 9m/m wood bottom Magazine. Wayne

01-28-2010, 09:28 PM	#50
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Spoke with Ken today , I will have it back next week He told me that his initial price would be a bit more because he spent more time getting the inside done correctly This is good news that he spent the time doing inside and out properly I cant wait to get it back,

01-29-2010, 07:47 PM	#52
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Yeah after I get the pistola back i will have the grips and wood bottom on the magazine redone. I am crossing my fingers that the restoration meets everyones approval. Ken seems confident that I will be extremely happy he say it looks like it is new in the box.

01-29-2010, 10:28 PM	#53
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Wayne, here is my pre-approval Waiting your pictures.

01-30-2010, 04:36 PM	#59
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Ron does it get a thumbs up from you?

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