Interesting .22 cal. S/42 Luger

junglejim · 08-08-2009, 05:31 PM

Yes Ron, It is reliable after much experimentation to get the right bullet and powder. I have the necessary dies to reload. The gun uses standard mags. I also have a target luger done by John that was pictured in the 2002 Guns & Ammo Annual. Here is a picture of that gun. 9X21 mm, sight from Thompson Contender.

sheepherder · 08-08-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by junglejim

I have the necessary dies to reload.

Jim -

Are they shortened rifle dies??? Or custom made???

junglejim · 08-08-2009, 07:16 PM

Postino, They are F.L. custom dies from RCBS. John Lawson sent them the critical measurements, and they made them. Actually, I don't think that custom dies cost that much more than standard. Jim

junglejim · 08-08-2009, 07:24 PM

The cartridge in the picture is a dummy (no primer). In the process of trimming, annealing, necking down from a straight case to a bottle neck, neck reaming, etc. I loose some cases. That is where the dummy came from.

PhilOhio · 08-09-2009, 12:07 PM

Very neat. I've never heard of that wildcat before. I'll bet it makes quite a bang, from that short barrel; and quite a ball of fire around dusk. I'd say you have a very interesting Luger custom variant.

It reminds me of a similar, but hotter, round I reload for a modified M-1 carbine, the 5.7mm Johnson. That's a .30 carbine case necked down to take 45 to 55 grain .223 bullets. You can drive them pretty fast, and they make a nice crack; accurate and effective on varmints at close to medium range. This was one of the late Mel Johnson's pet projects, but very few of the finished guns were sold. His son runs a nice website covering all this.

Oh yes, it is nearly identical to FN's "new" 5.7mm smg round, which is slightly smaller, slightly less powerful, and looks like it was cribbed directly from the Johnson cartridge...but no gun writer seems yet to have figured this out. Side by side, they are almost identical twins.

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08-08-2009, 07:16 PM	#3
junglejim User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Postino, They are F.L. custom dies from RCBS. John Lawson sent them the critical measurements, and they made them. Actually, I don't think that custom dies cost that much more than standard. Jim

08-08-2009, 07:24 PM	#4
junglejim User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The cartridge in the picture is a dummy (no primer). In the process of trimming, annealing, necking down from a straight case to a bottle neck, neck reaming, etc. I loose some cases. That is where the dummy came from.

08-09-2009, 12:07 PM	#5
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Very neat. I've never heard of that wildcat before. I'll bet it makes quite a bang, from that short barrel; and quite a ball of fire around dusk. I'd say you have a very interesting Luger custom variant. It reminds me of a similar, but hotter, round I reload for a modified M-1 carbine, the 5.7mm Johnson. That's a .30 carbine case necked down to take 45 to 55 grain .223 bullets. You can drive them pretty fast, and they make a nice crack; accurate and effective on varmints at close to medium range. This was one of the late Mel Johnson's pet projects, but very few of the finished guns were sold. His son runs a nice website covering all this. Oh yes, it is nearly identical to FN's "new" 5.7mm smg round, which is slightly smaller, slightly less powerful, and looks like it was cribbed directly from the Johnson cartridge...but no gun writer seems yet to have figured this out. Side by side, they are almost identical twins.