Help with Black AWM -3-11 Holster

George Anderson · 08-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Before I spend any more time on this, is the second guy's name Fiehler or Kiehler? You spell it both ways. So far neither of these nor Scharnagl show up in the Bavarian Army's Rangliste of 1914 or in the Ehernliste 1914-1918. Whoever he was he may have been an officer of the reserve in which case it becomes much more difficult to track.

Pistol · 08-05-2009, 09:22 PM

George - the only two living Mayors of München in 1945 were:

Karl Scharnagl or Karl Fiehler

Karl Fiehler would have been 19 years old in the year 1914 and 50 in 1945.

Karl Scharnagl would have been 33 years old in the year 1914, and 64 in 1945.

According to this he had the following military decorations listed below. However, I can't find where he served.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Fiehler

Eisernes Kreuz von 1914 2. Klasse (EK II) (Engl.: "Iron Cross of 1914, 2nd Class")
Verwundetenabzeichen von 1918 in Schwarz (Engl.: "Wound Badge of 1918 in Black")
Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (1935) (Engl.: "Cross of Honour for Frontline Combatants")
Kriegsverdienstkreuz (KVK) I. Klasse ohne Schwerter (Engl.: "War Merit Cross, 1st Class without Swords)
Kriegsverdienstkreuz (KVK) II. Klasse ohne Schwerter (Engl.: "War Merit Cross, 2nd Class without Swords)
Goldenes Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP (Engl.: "Golden Party Award of the NSDAP)
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 9. November 1923 ("Blutorden") (Engl.: "Commemmorative Medal of November 9, 1923" - "Blood Order" for those involved in the "Beer Hall Putsch")
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938 ("Österreichmedaille") (Engl.: "Commemmorative Medal of March 13, 1938" - annexation of Austria)
Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938 ("Sudetenlandmedaille") (Engl.: Commemmorative Medal of October 1, 1938" - annexation of the Sudetenland)
Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP für 25 Dienstjahre (Gold) (Engl.: "Long-Service Award in the NS-Party, 25 years, Gold")
Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP für 15 Dienstjahre (Silber) (Engl.: "Long-Service Award in the NS-Party, 15 years, Silver")
Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP für 10 Dienstjahre (Bronze) (Engl.: "Long-Service Award in the NS-Party, 10 years, Bronze")
SS-Ehrenring (Totenkopfring) (Engl.: "SS Honour Ring - Death's head ring")
Ehrendegen des Reichsführers-SS (Engl.: "Honor Sword of the SS Field Marshal")

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08-05-2009, 03:22 PM	#1
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Before I spend any more time on this, is the second guy's name Fiehler or Kiehler? You spell it both ways. So far neither of these nor Scharnagl show up in the Bavarian Army's Rangliste of 1914 or in the Ehernliste 1914-1918. Whoever he was he may have been an officer of the reserve in which case it becomes much more difficult to track.

08-05-2009, 09:22 PM	#2
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 430 Thanks: 455 Thanked 221 Times in 100 Posts	George - the only two living Mayors of München in 1945 were: Karl Scharnagl or Karl Fiehler Karl Fiehler would have been 19 years old in the year 1914 and 50 in 1945. Karl Scharnagl would have been 33 years old in the year 1914, and 64 in 1945. According to this he had the following military decorations listed below. However, I can't find where he served. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Fiehler Eisernes Kreuz von 1914 2. Klasse (EK II) (Engl.: "Iron Cross of 1914, 2nd Class") Verwundetenabzeichen von 1918 in Schwarz (Engl.: "Wound Badge of 1918 in Black") Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer (1935) (Engl.: "Cross of Honour for Frontline Combatants") Kriegsverdienstkreuz (KVK) I. Klasse ohne Schwerter (Engl.: "War Merit Cross, 1st Class without Swords) Kriegsverdienstkreuz (KVK) II. Klasse ohne Schwerter (Engl.: "War Merit Cross, 2nd Class without Swords) Goldenes Parteiabzeichen der NSDAP (Engl.: "Golden Party Award of the NSDAP) Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 9. November 1923 ("Blutorden") (Engl.: "Commemmorative Medal of November 9, 1923" - "Blood Order" for those involved in the "Beer Hall Putsch") Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938 ("Österreichmedaille") (Engl.: "Commemmorative Medal of March 13, 1938" - annexation of Austria) Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938 ("Sudetenlandmedaille") (Engl.: Commemmorative Medal of October 1, 1938" - annexation of the Sudetenland) Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP für 25 Dienstjahre (Gold) (Engl.: "Long-Service Award in the NS-Party, 25 years, Gold") Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP für 15 Dienstjahre (Silber) (Engl.: "Long-Service Award in the NS-Party, 15 years, Silver") Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP für 10 Dienstjahre (Bronze) (Engl.: "Long-Service Award in the NS-Party, 10 years, Bronze") SS-Ehrenring (Totenkopfring) (Engl.: "SS Honour Ring - Death's head ring") Ehrendegen des Reichsführers-SS (Engl.: "Honor Sword of the SS Field Marshal")