Help with Black AWM -3-11 Holster

Pistol · 08-03-2009, 01:19 AM

Thank you very much Klaus for your posts regarding the histroy of the German Regiments and the take-down tool. Also, the photos of your Grandpa are interesting. You should be proud.

The tool I have looks identical to the first close-up tool photo of your last post. Very interesting. What is the range in years the C/A tools were made.......1908 to 1914?

I will try and get better photos of holster and gun.

Pistol · 08-03-2009, 01:33 AM

Bavarian 16. Inf. Reg. with honor name Großherzog Ferdinand von Toskana and the Bavarian 2. Inf. Reg. with honor name Kronprinz “made” together the Bav. 2. Infantry Brigade.

Is there a list of the soldier or officer names that served in these units?

klaus 3338 · 08-03-2009, 06:32 PM

Ron, I do not.
Pistol, I think these Erfurt tools were made between 1911 and 1914. I got some unit histories. In most cases the names of the soldiers who died in action were mentioned.
Regards Klaus

Pistol · 08-03-2009, 09:21 PM

Klaus

Was this the same units that Hitler served in or is that a different regiment.

I found this link http://www.hitlerpages.com/pagina32.html

According to this source, In 1914 Hitler joined Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment 16 (List-Regiment or RIR 16), part of the 2nd Bavarian Infantry Regiment. The first or second batallion was his batallion, but since he served as a regimental dispatch runner (Meldegänger) his whereabouts and shelters could be different from the locations the front soldiers where at. Sometimes there was a special shelter for dispatch runners and he must have been at the regiment staf buildings a lot too. It was his job to bring messages from the staf to the soldiers in the front line.

It’s important to know that Hitler was part of the 1st or 2nd Kompanie of the Reserve Infanterie Regiment 16 (RIR 16 or the List-regiment) untill October 7, 1915. After that he joined the 3rd Kompanie. Both were part of the 1st batallion of RIR 16. The most prominent sources used here are the Erinnerungsblätter Regimenter Bayerische Armee, Das Reserve Regiment List (Solleder, 1932), Mit Adolf Hitler im Bayerischen Reserve Infanterie Regiment 16 List (Meijer, 1931) and Frontsoldat Hitler (Russell, 2006).

August 5 - München

Hitler’s request to join the German army is granted. He reports to the 1st Bavarian Infantry Regiment but gets transfered to the 1th batalion of Reserve Infanterie Regiment 16 (List regiment) of the 2nd Bavarian Infantry Regiment in München.

October 8 – München

Ceremonial farewell at the Türkenkaserne, with the king present. Hitler might have been there.

October 9 – München

Hitler completes his basic training in München.

October 10 – March to Lechfeld

The 1st battalion marches to Lechfeld for fight training: through the Landsbergerstrasse - Pasing – Gilching (first day) – Türkenfeld (second day). Another source mentions the route through: Alling (a village West of München) and Türkenfeld (also West of München), where they spend the night outside)

Having reached Lechfeld company 1 and 2 spend the night at the Kloster Lechfeld.

October 17 – Lechfeld

Hitler completes his supplementary military training at Lager Lechfeld, Bayern.

08-03-2009, 01:33 AM	#2
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA - TN Posts: 435 Thanks: 467 Thanked 223 Times in 102 Posts	Bavarian 16. Inf. Reg. with honor name Großherzog Ferdinand von Toskana and the Bavarian 2. Inf. Reg. with honor name Kronprinz “made” together the Bav. 2. Infantry Brigade. Is there a list of the soldier or officer names that served in these units? Last edited by Pistol; 08-03-2009 at 06:04 PM.

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08-03-2009, 01:19 AM	#1
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA - TN Posts: 435 Thanks: 467 Thanked 223 Times in 102 Posts	Thank you very much Klaus for your posts regarding the histroy of the German Regiments and the take-down tool. Also, the photos of your Grandpa are interesting. You should be proud. The tool I have looks identical to the first close-up tool photo of your last post. Very interesting. What is the range in years the C/A tools were made.......1908 to 1914? I will try and get better photos of holster and gun.

08-03-2009, 06:32 PM	#3
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 524 Thanks: 0 Thanked 432 Times in 165 Posts	Ron, I do not. Pistol, I think these Erfurt tools were made between 1911 and 1914. I got some unit histories. In most cases the names of the soldiers who died in action were mentioned. Regards Klaus

08-03-2009, 09:21 PM	#4
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA - TN Posts: 435 Thanks: 467 Thanked 223 Times in 102 Posts	Klaus Was this the same units that Hitler served in or is that a different regiment. I found this link http://www.hitlerpages.com/pagina32.html According to this source, In 1914 Hitler joined Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment 16 (List-Regiment or RIR 16), part of the 2nd Bavarian Infantry Regiment. The first or second batallion was his batallion, but since he served as a regimental dispatch runner (Meldegänger) his whereabouts and shelters could be different from the locations the front soldiers where at. Sometimes there was a special shelter for dispatch runners and he must have been at the regiment staf buildings a lot too. It was his job to bring messages from the staf to the soldiers in the front line. It’s important to know that Hitler was part of the 1st or 2nd Kompanie of the Reserve Infanterie Regiment 16 (RIR 16 or the List-regiment) untill October 7, 1915. After that he joined the 3rd Kompanie. Both were part of the 1st batallion of RIR 16. The most prominent sources used here are the Erinnerungsblätter Regimenter Bayerische Armee, Das Reserve Regiment List (Solleder, 1932), Mit Adolf Hitler im Bayerischen Reserve Infanterie Regiment 16 List (Meijer, 1931) and Frontsoldat Hitler (Russell, 2006). August 5 - München Hitler’s request to join the German army is granted. He reports to the 1st Bavarian Infantry Regiment but gets transfered to the 1th batalion of Reserve Infanterie Regiment 16 (List regiment) of the 2nd Bavarian Infantry Regiment in München. October 8 – München Ceremonial farewell at the Türkenkaserne, with the king present. Hitler might have been there. October 9 – München Hitler completes his basic training in München. October 10 – March to Lechfeld The 1st battalion marches to Lechfeld for fight training: through the Landsbergerstrasse - Pasing – Gilching (first day) – Türkenfeld (second day). Another source mentions the route through: Alling (a village West of München) and Türkenfeld (also West of München), where they spend the night outside) Having reached Lechfeld company 1 and 2 spend the night at the Kloster Lechfeld. October 17 – Lechfeld Hitler completes his supplementary military training at Lager Lechfeld, Bayern.