$4000 hand made Broomhandle

sheepherder · 07-29-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I'm no expert but I'm not sure that is Crottet's work. His pieces are usually painstakingly accurate.

Well, it's serial # 10001...Maybe it's the first one he ever did...

Looking at the scale next to it...10 1/2 inches from grip center to the barrel end...My two Brooms measure 12 inches...that's not much of a "scale model"...that's pretty much full-size...

...And why .32 ACP??? That's bigger than 30 caliber...

There's so many little things wrong with it, as opposed to Crottet's painstakingly accurate other models...that I'm inclined to agree with Ron Wood...

But it is still impressive...It's like someone with a good machine tools background made one from an illustrated book...rather than from an actual Broomhandle...

alvin · 07-29-2009, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

...And why .32 ACP??? That's bigger than 30 caliber...

Initially, I thought it's a blowback implementation. Then noticed the bolt does have locking lug, so I am lost again. "who knows, the cut under the bolt could be non-functional decoration". But it's hard to imagine how to hook the parts together without a bolt lock, which is the heart of the system. Could the caliber be local law related...

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It's short recoil. The barrel moves when the bolt opens, pix 14.

sheepherder · 07-29-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

It's short recoil. The barrel moves when the bolt opens, pix 14.

So does the C96 barrel...

alvin · 07-29-2009, 10:26 PM

Yes. So does the Mauser.

There are many weird guns on the market. Here is another one -- rebarreled 9m/m. Does the work look like Weimar, or recent?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=135718722

Postie -- is this 9x19 your work?

PhilOhio · 07-29-2009, 10:50 PM

Postino,

Bullet diameter for .32 ACP is actually .308, so it is a true .30 caliber. It is one of about 30 cartridges I reload for...casting or swaging all the bullets. I forget where the "32" name came from, but it is indeed misleading, as are some other cartridge names evolving from black powder and heeled bullet days.

Bore diameter of the original gun is the same. So the main thing this different cartridge offers is perhaps the chance to eliminate all the complex inner lock work. Maybe. .32 ACP pressure and recoil impulse is much lower, along with velocity. It's still a strange project to select.

Ron,

Same thought hit me right away. The quality on this piece is not quite at the "10" level. Also, I was wondering if it is straight blowback, but then on the exposed underside of the bolt I see what appears to be a locking block cut. Of course, it could be cosmetic.

But my hat is off to anybody who puts this much time into such an obvious labor of love, whether or not it comes up to the standards of David Kucer of Canada. I used to see him every year at the North American Model Engineering Society shows near Detroit or in Toledo. Didn't see him this year. Anybody know if he is still with us, as he was getting along in years last time I spoke with him? The NAMES show is moving back to (Ypsilanti?) next year. Catch it if you can, guys. They usually have some incredibly beautiful .22LR Gatlings and a few small cannons, also...along with examples of Kucer's work.

sheepherder · 07-30-2009, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilOhio

Postino,

Bullet diameter for .32 ACP is actually .308...

Phil -

I don't reload 32 ACP (although I have a 32 savage), but I was going on the diameters given at Midway...".312 - .313"...[pic below]

Alvin -

No; not one of mine...My rebarrels have a "step" like the M30's where I make my joint...BTW: How do you know it's a rebarrel??? It doesn't say in the auction...

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07-29-2009, 10:26 PM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Yes. So does the Mauser. There are many weird guns on the market. Here is another one -- rebarreled 9m/m. Does the work look like Weimar, or recent? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=135718722 Postie -- is this 9x19 your work?

07-29-2009, 10:50 PM	#5
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Postino, Bullet diameter for .32 ACP is actually .308, so it is a true .30 caliber. It is one of about 30 cartridges I reload for...casting or swaging all the bullets. I forget where the "32" name came from, but it is indeed misleading, as are some other cartridge names evolving from black powder and heeled bullet days. Bore diameter of the original gun is the same. So the main thing this different cartridge offers is perhaps the chance to eliminate all the complex inner lock work. Maybe. .32 ACP pressure and recoil impulse is much lower, along with velocity. It's still a strange project to select. Ron, Same thought hit me right away. The quality on this piece is not quite at the "10" level. Also, I was wondering if it is straight blowback, but then on the exposed underside of the bolt I see what appears to be a locking block cut. Of course, it could be cosmetic. But my hat is off to anybody who puts this much time into such an obvious labor of love, whether or not it comes up to the standards of David Kucer of Canada. I used to see him every year at the North American Model Engineering Society shows near Detroit or in Toledo. Didn't see him this year. Anybody know if he is still with us, as he was getting along in years last time I spoke with him? The NAMES show is moving back to (Ypsilanti?) next year. Catch it if you can, guys. They usually have some incredibly beautiful .22LR Gatlings and a few small cannons, also...along with examples of Kucer's work.