Luger "Reinforced" Frame - Page 2

Vlim · 12-03-2005, 04:16 AM

Hi Dwight,

Very interesting research. As to production. My assumption at the moment is that the pistols were produced in batches, not a continuous flow. A group of experts would work on several stages of production, finishing a batch of pistols before starting production of another batch.

Assorted small parts, rough forgings and barrel blanks would be kept in supply and these forgings were rough enough to be shaped into any contract form required, because the differences between frames (for example) were relatively minor.

Most of this 'wisdom' comes from studying the 1936 photographs of Mauser's pistol production location at Oberndorf. It would be tempting to think that this batch production method would also explain the '10,000' serial number ranges.

About 1914, DWM moved it's weapons production from the Martinikenfelde location in Berlin to their new facilities in Berlin-Wittenau. At the same time they upgraded their machine parks. This could explain a sudden change in production methods in early 1914 pistols.

Shawn v. Il. · 12-10-2005, 11:44 AM

Hello Dwight ,
1914 DWM , 7881a , has the spur .
Shawn

Dwight Gruber · 12-10-2005, 12:40 PM

Shawn, thanks much.

--Dwight

Dwight Gruber · 12-10-2005, 02:59 PM

The latest data, including a significant change in the DWM column.

DWM 1914 3500a spur
DWM 1915 1997b straight

Erfurt 1911 7686 spur
Erfurt 1911 8221 straight

1914 Commercial Army 70362 spur
1914 Commercial 72353 straight

All 1914 LP-08 reported straight

--Dwight

Heinz · 12-10-2005, 07:10 PM

Dwight, You missed my earlier post. DWM 8413b.

Dwight Gruber · 12-11-2005, 03:04 AM

Heinz,

I got it in the database, thanks. I am reducing the current-results posts down to the minimum range, afraid that the new 1915 1997b trumps your entry.

--Dwight

Heinz · 12-11-2005, 07:14 PM

Dwight, I am glad I got trumped, the more data the better. I wish more of the 1914 owners would turn up, or a 1915 XXXXns ;-)

Dwight Gruber · 01-01-2006, 08:33 PM

Bringing the results up-to-date 1/8/06.

DWM 1914 3500a spur
DWM 1915 134ns straight

Erfurt 1911 7686 spur
Erfurt 1911 8221 straight

1913 Commercial 71368 spur
1914 Commercial 72353 straight

All 1914 LP-08 reported straight

All 1908 Navy so far are straight, but I only have reports of guns with b suffix.

--Dwight

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12-03-2005, 04:16 AM	#21
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Dwight, Very interesting research. As to production. My assumption at the moment is that the pistols were produced in batches, not a continuous flow. A group of experts would work on several stages of production, finishing a batch of pistols before starting production of another batch. Assorted small parts, rough forgings and barrel blanks would be kept in supply and these forgings were rough enough to be shaped into any contract form required, because the differences between frames (for example) were relatively minor. Most of this 'wisdom' comes from studying the 1936 photographs of Mauser's pistol production location at Oberndorf. It would be tempting to think that this batch production method would also explain the '10,000' serial number ranges. About 1914, DWM moved it's weapons production from the Martinikenfelde location in Berlin to their new facilities in Berlin-Wittenau. At the same time they upgraded their machine parks. This could explain a sudden change in production methods in early 1914 pistols.

12-10-2005, 11:44 AM	#22
Shawn v. Il. User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Dwight , 1914 DWM , 7881a , has the spur . Shawn

12-10-2005, 12:40 PM	#23
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Shawn, thanks much. --Dwight

12-10-2005, 02:59 PM	#24
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	The latest data, including a significant change in the DWM column. DWM 1914 3500a spur DWM 1915 1997b straight Erfurt 1911 7686 spur Erfurt 1911 8221 straight 1914 Commercial Army 70362 spur 1914 Commercial 72353 straight All 1914 LP-08 reported straight --Dwight

12-10-2005, 07:10 PM	#25
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Dwight, You missed my earlier post. DWM 8413b.

12-11-2005, 03:04 AM	#26
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Heinz, I got it in the database, thanks. I am reducing the current-results posts down to the minimum range, afraid that the new 1915 1997b trumps your entry. --Dwight

12-11-2005, 07:14 PM	#27
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Dwight, I am glad I got trumped, the more data the better. I wish more of the 1914 owners would turn up, or a 1915 XXXXns ;-)

01-01-2006, 08:33 PM	#28
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Bringing the results up-to-date 1/8/06. DWM 1914 3500a spur DWM 1915 134ns straight Erfurt 1911 7686 spur Erfurt 1911 8221 straight 1913 Commercial 71368 spur 1914 Commercial 72353 straight All 1914 LP-08 reported straight All 1908 Navy so far are straight, but I only have reports of guns with b suffix. --Dwight