german names for other pistols

Vlim · 05-14-2009, 06:55 AM

In the Netherlands it was a bit more complicated, as the Luger was accepted by both the Dutch East Indies army (KNIL) and the navy. Official KNIL designation was 'Pistool M11', 11 referring to the fiscal year of 1911 when it was officially adopted. The Navy had already adopted a bunch of WW1 navy lugers under the designation 'Pistool Automatisch Nr. 1' (automatic pistol nr. 1) and the new P08 models they bought in the 1930s were also referred to as the 'Pistool Nr. 1'. Non-official names were the 'Vickers' in the East Indies and 'Luger' in the Netherlands.

The unofficial household name over here in the Netherlands is still 'Luger'.

PhilOhio · 05-14-2009, 11:50 AM

Vlim,

Your reference to "KNIL" could explain the single ownership or proof mark on the right side of the barrel extension of my Dutch Luger, from the 3rd delivery (1930) of the 1928 contract. I've never found a picture of the marking on this site, but it is a circle around interlocking characters which might include a "K", an "I", and an "L".

I've heard the purchaser of these pistols referred to as either the "Department of the Colonies" or the "Dutch East Indies Army".

Which is correct, and am I seeing a KNIL ownership or proof mark?

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05-14-2009, 06:55 AM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,991 Times in 1,205 Posts	In the Netherlands it was a bit more complicated, as the Luger was accepted by both the Dutch East Indies army (KNIL) and the navy. Official KNIL designation was 'Pistool M11', 11 referring to the fiscal year of 1911 when it was officially adopted. The Navy had already adopted a bunch of WW1 navy lugers under the designation 'Pistool Automatisch Nr. 1' (automatic pistol nr. 1) and the new P08 models they bought in the 1930s were also referred to as the 'Pistool Nr. 1'. Non-official names were the 'Vickers' in the East Indies and 'Luger' in the Netherlands. The unofficial household name over here in the Netherlands is still 'Luger'.

05-14-2009, 11:50 AM	#2
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Vlim, Your reference to "KNIL" could explain the single ownership or proof mark on the right side of the barrel extension of my Dutch Luger, from the 3rd delivery (1930) of the 1928 contract. I've never found a picture of the marking on this site, but it is a circle around interlocking characters which might include a "K", an "I", and an "L". I've heard the purchaser of these pistols referred to as either the "Department of the Colonies" or the "Dutch East Indies Army". Which is correct, and am I seeing a KNIL ownership or proof mark?