Help ID Markings

Ron Smith · 03-18-2009, 08:56 AM

Maybe presented to a WV Coal Miner in July of '52, fer Loadin' 15 tons of #9 Coal?

I do want to know if your letter of authenticity is written on authentic paper with authentic ink, however.

rolandtg · 03-18-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Smith

Maybe presented to a WV Coal Miner in July of '52, fer Loadin' 15 tons of #9 Coal?

Gaffaw! I was thinking the same thing when i saw the "15 TONS".

apis mellifera · 03-18-2009, 07:07 PM

Here it is:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...uns/letter.jpg

cma22inc · 03-18-2009, 08:41 PM

Classic... lol

sheepherder · 03-18-2009, 10:02 PM

I was skeptical, but after seeing that Letter of Authenticity, I'm a believer!

...Just what does that "752" refer to???...

apis mellifera · 03-18-2009, 10:40 PM

Well, I've figured it out thanks to a post I found about a similarly marked Webley. From what I read, the markings aren't for non-English guns sold in England, but rather any gun sold by the British government as surplus.

On my gun the three markings between the SN and 9 M/M are actually one light mark. It should be an arm holding a sword over the letters NP, which stands for nitro proof. This stamp is the commercial proof put on when the gun was sold by a government store. This particular stamp was used in the London proofing house. 9 M/M is obviously the caliber. The mark .752" is the chamber length (case length). I guessed that was the case since .752" roughly equals 19mm. The 13 tons is the cartridge mean working pressure (not the proof pressure). Wiki says the working pressure of 9x19mm is ~40,000 psi. Math would probably tell us that that equals 13 tons.

I'm so glad Al Gore invented the internet.

Interesting link:
www.riflebuilders.com/proof1.pdf

03-18-2009, 08:56 AM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Maybe presented to a WV Coal Miner in July of '52, fer Loadin' 15 tons of #9 Coal? I do want to know if your letter of authenticity is written on authentic paper with authentic ink, however. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-18-2009, 07:07 PM	#3
apis mellifera User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 149 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 8 Posts	Here it is: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...uns/letter.jpg Attached Thumbnails

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03-18-2009, 08:41 PM	#4
cma22inc User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa Bay FL Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Classic... lol

03-18-2009, 10:02 PM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,197 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	I was skeptical, but after seeing that Letter of Authenticity, I'm a believer! ...Just what does that "752" refer to???...

03-18-2009, 10:40 PM	#6
apis mellifera User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: WV Posts: 149 Thanks: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 8 Posts	Well, I've figured it out thanks to a post I found about a similarly marked Webley. From what I read, the markings aren't for non-English guns sold in England, but rather any gun sold by the British government as surplus. On my gun the three markings between the SN and 9 M/M are actually one light mark. It should be an arm holding a sword over the letters NP, which stands for nitro proof. This stamp is the commercial proof put on when the gun was sold by a government store. This particular stamp was used in the London proofing house. 9 M/M is obviously the caliber. The mark .752" is the chamber length (case length). I guessed that was the case since .752" roughly equals 19mm. The 13 tons is the cartridge mean working pressure (not the proof pressure). Wiki says the working pressure of 9x19mm is ~40,000 psi. Math would probably tell us that that equals 13 tons. I'm so glad Al Gore invented the internet. Interesting link: www.riflebuilders.com/proof1.pdf