Pls STOP the Madness!!!

Navy · 03-21-2008, 03:35 PM

All,

There have been several instances of late when members of both this and Jan Still's forum have contacted me about purchases they have recently made. Inevitably they state want my opinion or my validating their purchase.

Equally inevitably, they do NOT * really*want my opinion, they wish to have me validate their multi-thousand dollar purchase. Mebbe they feel that they can alabi spending the bucks to the lil' woman by saying, "Tom A. said it was a righteous gun at a great price!". Who knows.

I can state with certainty I ALWAYS ask them to do one or more of the inspection procedures I have published and which are posted permanently at the head of this subset of the LF. In each case thus far encountered, the inquisitive new purchaser either refuses to conduct the test(s) and procedures, or does not reveal the result by breaking off communications.

I do not object to such people refusing to close the communications loop; gawd knows I get enough e-mail anyway. What I do strenuously object to however, is the primae facie example of deliberate self delusion demonstrated by their establishing contact with me- causing me to fritter time away attempting to elaborate, enlighten, teach and share some of the things I have learned-often through painful and expensive experience-in my 46 years of collecting Lugers, then FAILING to act on it or ignoring it all together. I attribute this to childishness at best, rudeness and self delusion at worst.

My bottom line here, folks, is simple. If you can't stand the answer, don't ask me the question. A second point is, the best way to avoid "buyer's remorse" , is to ask a knowledgable and experienced collector or three BE-friggin-FORE drinking the Kool-Aide that a charismatic salesman is dispensing.

As I have noted often, the tuition at Luger U. is expensive and getting more so. Please take advantage of the resources available here BEFORE writing a check.

Here endeth the rant. Let the flames begin!!

Tom A.

Edward Tinker · 03-21-2008, 04:01 PM

yes, I have "asked" Tom his opinion, sometimes later at night. I have gotten good answers and bad answers (of what I wanted to hear), but always HONEST answers. so....

That said, I think if you're in the game and a so-called expert (because we all are still learning) in a certain area, you've got to expect the occasional (?) bump on the log who just won't listen. I experienced this a couple of months ago, guy asked my opnion, numerous times and then failed to listen. Of course he got more on gunbroker than if he'd used my advice / interpretation of markings

John Sabato · 03-21-2008, 04:03 PM

You can't get flamed on the Lugerforum Tom! Especially when all you have dispensed is the rock steady advice you have given for years as a professor here at Luger U.

... Folks you can't lay the blame on Tom for not following his advice...

Happy Easter Tom.

Ron Smith · 03-21-2008, 04:16 PM

All righty then! The next time my wife gets ticked at me for buying a gun. I can blame Tom.

LugerVern · 03-21-2008, 04:42 PM

Tom

I really liked the 4th and 5th paragraph!!!

Vern

alvin · 03-21-2008, 04:54 PM

I like the 2nd paragraph.

People's purpose is unexplainable... why consult Tom A. after buying, not before buying?

lugerholsterrepair · 03-21-2008, 05:32 PM

Tom, I feel your pain. The messenger is often blamed. I get more or less the same thing coming to me on holsters. Often the more astute petitioners heed the advice and I say a pox on those who don't! You can only lead a horse to water not shove his head under.
Jerry Burney

the gunman · 03-21-2008, 05:53 PM

Tom and Jerry , Man I must say if these two gentleman blessed me with there advice I sure as hell would listen.

StarOfTheWest · 03-21-2008, 06:29 PM

You can lead a horse to water, but you shouldn't have to stick your head up its arsch and suck to make it drink.

Ron Wood · 03-21-2008, 06:46 PM

No doubt an old proverb of some sort or other. There is wisdom in them thar hills.

alvin · 03-21-2008, 10:57 PM

Read Tom's post again.... actually, a better way could be -- novice attacks a gun, and let experts defend it.

Navy · 03-22-2008, 10:45 AM

Jerry,

My fellow paratrooper, if you stick the jackass' head under water, PETA will object (in the case of real asses); for humankind, one will be accused of being unfeeling or insensitive...
It is a tough load to bear either way, but I will do my best to measure up.

Tom A

03-21-2008, 03:35 PM	#1
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pls STOP the Madness!!! All, There have been several instances of late when members of both this and Jan Still's forum have contacted me about purchases they have recently made. Inevitably they state want my opinion or my validating their purchase. Equally inevitably, they do NOT * really*want my opinion, they wish to have me validate their multi-thousand dollar purchase. Mebbe they feel that they can alabi spending the bucks to the lil' woman by saying, "Tom A. said it was a righteous gun at a great price!". Who knows. I can state with certainty I ALWAYS ask them to do one or more of the inspection procedures I have published and which are posted permanently at the head of this subset of the LF. In each case thus far encountered, the inquisitive new purchaser either refuses to conduct the test(s) and procedures, or does not reveal the result by breaking off communications. I do not object to such people refusing to close the communications loop; gawd knows I get enough e-mail anyway. What I do strenuously object to however, is the primae facie example of deliberate self delusion demonstrated by their establishing contact with me- causing me to fritter time away attempting to elaborate, enlighten, teach and share some of the things I have learned-often through painful and expensive experience-in my 46 years of collecting Lugers, then FAILING to act on it or ignoring it all together. I attribute this to childishness at best, rudeness and self delusion at worst. My bottom line here, folks, is simple. If you can't stand the answer, don't ask me the question. A second point is, the best way to avoid "buyer's remorse" , is to ask a knowledgable and experienced collector or three BE-friggin-FORE drinking the Kool-Aide that a charismatic salesman is dispensing. As I have noted often, the tuition at Luger U. is expensive and getting more so. Please take advantage of the resources available here BEFORE writing a check. Here endeth the rant. Let the flames begin!! Tom A.

03-21-2008, 04:01 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	yes, I have "asked" Tom his opinion, sometimes later at night. I have gotten good answers and bad answers (of what I wanted to hear), but always HONEST answers. so.... That said, I think if you're in the game and a so-called expert (because we all are still learning) in a certain area, you've got to expect the occasional (?) bump on the log who just won't listen. I experienced this a couple of months ago, guy asked my opnion, numerous times and then failed to listen. Of course he got more on gunbroker than if he'd used my advice / interpretation of markings __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-21-2008, 04:03 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	You can't get flamed on the Lugerforum Tom! Especially when all you have dispensed is the rock steady advice you have given for years as a professor here at Luger U. ... Folks you can't lay the blame on Tom for not following his advice... Happy Easter Tom. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-21-2008, 04:16 PM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	All righty then! The next time my wife gets ticked at me for buying a gun. I can blame Tom. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-21-2008, 05:32 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Tom, I feel your pain. The messenger is often blamed. I get more or less the same thing coming to me on holsters. Often the more astute petitioners heed the advice and I say a pox on those who don't! You can only lead a horse to water not shove his head under. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-21-2008, 04:42 PM	#5
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Tom I really liked the 4th and 5th paragraph!!! Vern

03-21-2008, 04:54 PM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I like the 2nd paragraph. People's purpose is unexplainable... why consult Tom A. after buying, not before buying?

03-21-2008, 05:53 PM	#8
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Tom and Jerry , Man I must say if these two gentleman blessed me with there advice I sure as hell would listen.

03-21-2008, 06:29 PM	#9
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	You can lead a horse to water, but you shouldn't have to stick your head up its arsch and suck to make it drink. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

03-21-2008, 06:46 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	No doubt an old proverb of some sort or other. There is wisdom in them thar hills. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-21-2008, 10:57 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Read Tom's post again.... actually, a better way could be -- novice attacks a gun, and let experts defend it.

03-22-2008, 10:45 AM	#12
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Jerry, My fellow paratrooper, if you stick the jackass' head under water, PETA will object (in the case of real asses); for humankind, one will be accused of being unfeeling or insensitive... It is a tough load to bear either way, but I will do my best to measure up. Tom A

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