What, diferences, if any betwwen the 1908

cirelaw · 02-27-2008, 11:18 AM

commercial version, and the military version, other then a serial number. And what version is more prevalant, Why seperate versions? what diferences, Which version has survived the other? Are there diferences in present values, You are right., its like opening pandoras' box.

Navy · 02-27-2008, 01:30 PM

The commercial is far rarer, yet doesn't seem to get as much collector interest or $$. Principal difference is the lack of the C/M proof & acceptance mark.

Tom A

cirelaw · 02-27-2008, 07:01 PM

The 1808 navy Im purchasings serial number is #2505b. What if anything can be gleamed my its serial number alone. I was wondering if Dwight may keep records.

Dwight Gruber · 02-27-2008, 10:02 PM

Eric,

1908 Navy Commercials have five-digit serial numbers. There are eight reported in the database, salted in between sn 39436 and sn 60781.

A b suffix is not found in the series of DWM Commercial production.

--Dwight

cirelaw · 02-28-2008, 09:15 AM

Thank You Dwight, my Historical Accountant! Any idea how many non-commercial we made and how many survived. Ill send closeups next week!

cirelaw · 02-28-2008, 11:30 AM

isnt about time for a beautiful, informative book like Eds' newest masterpiece be published. The book could match the beauty of the Naval Luger, with attention to its accoutraments. The only book I knnow dealing with the topic is 'The Navy Luger, well out of the eighty-two photographs, only twelve navy lugers are pictured. A good book for history. Which again I must commend Jan who took up the slack, becausse of Jan, I can view my 1908 navy, before I receive it. I cant say enough!

John Sabato · 02-28-2008, 12:05 PM

Hey Tom A! Just when is your Navy book going to be published?

We have sure been waiting a long time, but we know the wait will be worth it.

cirelaw · 02-28-2008, 12:55 PM

iam so proud of all of you. I know of no other hobby or collection, that is supported by so many legitimate scholars,enthuesiasts that make up our tight group, that writes and corrects history of the worlds finest firearm

Navy · 02-28-2008, 01:38 PM

John,

I am about 75% through with first draft. Unfortunately, my clients insist I take care of their needs before spending time writing for pleasure.

Tom A

George Anderson · 02-28-2008, 06:09 PM

Eric, you may be treading on thin ice with this pistol. I advise that you pay heed to what Dwight Gruber posted.

cirelaw · 02-28-2008, 06:27 PM

A dealer who specializes on military lugers, a long time collector here in florida, is taking receipt of my new one, Hes the same who inspected my test luger. Beleive me, Ive spent less on ex-wives. tks.

cirelaw · 02-28-2008, 07:27 PM

We are so lucky to have Jan Still to the rescue. My 1908 with a serial number, 2505b falls within the 120 repoted in the 1044b-9505b, a continue of the 1906 Navy range, p123

Navy · 02-28-2008, 08:27 PM

2505b cannot be a legit commercial navy sn; no way, no time, no how.

Tom A

cirelaw · 02-28-2008, 09:12 PM

What about a military?

Navy · 02-29-2008, 10:47 AM

The b suffix makes it certain to be a military pistol.

Tom A

cirelaw · 02-29-2008, 12:07 PM

Thats why your the authority. My only other quiry is besides the serial number, were there any other differences between the two versions?

Navy · 02-29-2008, 03:45 PM

Other than SN and lack of Imperial Navy markings, guns are mechanically identical.

Tom A

George Anderson · 02-29-2008, 04:51 PM

Naval proofs and acceptance stamps.

Dwight Gruber · 02-29-2008, 05:40 PM

Tom or George may want to confirm this, but I understand that the large-head toggle pin was introduced in the 1908 model Navy.

--Dwight

cirelaw · 02-29-2008, 06:57 PM

For us neophytes, can you explain what, where and for what purpose a 'large-head toggle pin is. Has anyone ever counted just how many pieces ans parts make up a nayy luger, or any luger for that matter. I wouldnt dare guess?? No Cheating!

02-27-2008, 11:18 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	What, diferences, if any betwwen the 1908 commercial version, and the military version, other then a serial number. And what version is more prevalant, Why seperate versions? what diferences, Which version has survived the other? Are there diferences in present values, You are right., its like opening pandoras' box.

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02-27-2008, 01:30 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	The commercial is far rarer, yet doesn't seem to get as much collector interest or $$. Principal difference is the lack of the C/M proof & acceptance mark. Tom A

02-27-2008, 07:01 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	The 1808 navy Im purchasings serial number is #2505b. What if anything can be gleamed my its serial number alone. I was wondering if Dwight may keep records.

02-27-2008, 10:02 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Eric, 1908 Navy Commercials have five-digit serial numbers. There are eight reported in the database, salted in between sn 39436 and sn 60781. A b suffix is not found in the series of DWM Commercial production. --Dwight

02-28-2008, 09:15 AM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Thank You Dwight, my Historical Accountant! Any idea how many non-commercial we made and how many survived. Ill send closeups next week!

02-28-2008, 11:30 AM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	isnt about time for a beautiful, informative book like Eds' newest masterpiece be published. The book could match the beauty of the Naval Luger, with attention to its accoutraments. The only book I knnow dealing with the topic is 'The Navy Luger, well out of the eighty-two photographs, only twelve navy lugers are pictured. A good book for history. Which again I must commend Jan who took up the slack, becausse of Jan, I can view my 1908 navy, before I receive it. I cant say enough!

02-28-2008, 12:55 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	iam so proud of all of you. I know of no other hobby or collection, that is supported by so many legitimate scholars,enthuesiasts that make up our tight group, that writes and corrects history of the worlds finest firearm

02-28-2008, 01:38 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	John, I am about 75% through with first draft. Unfortunately, my clients insist I take care of their needs before spending time writing for pleasure. Tom A

02-28-2008, 06:09 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Eric, you may be treading on thin ice with this pistol. I advise that you pay heed to what Dwight Gruber posted.

02-28-2008, 06:27 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	A dealer who specializes on military lugers, a long time collector here in florida, is taking receipt of my new one, Hes the same who inspected my test luger. Beleive me, Ive spent less on ex-wives. tks.

02-28-2008, 07:27 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	We are so lucky to have Jan Still to the rescue. My 1908 with a serial number, 2505b falls within the 120 repoted in the 1044b-9505b, a continue of the 1906 Navy range, p123

02-28-2008, 08:27 PM	#13
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	2505b cannot be a legit commercial navy sn; no way, no time, no how. Tom A

02-28-2008, 09:12 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	What about a military?

02-29-2008, 10:47 AM	#15
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	The b suffix makes it certain to be a military pistol. Tom A

02-29-2008, 12:07 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Thats why your the authority. My only other quiry is besides the serial number, were there any other differences between the two versions?

02-29-2008, 03:45 PM	#17
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Other than SN and lack of Imperial Navy markings, guns are mechanically identical. Tom A

02-29-2008, 04:51 PM	#18
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Naval proofs and acceptance stamps.

02-29-2008, 05:40 PM	#19
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Tom or George may want to confirm this, but I understand that the large-head toggle pin was introduced in the 1908 model Navy. --Dwight

02-29-2008, 06:57 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	For us neophytes, can you explain what, where and for what purpose a 'large-head toggle pin is. Has anyone ever counted just how many pieces ans parts make up a nayy luger, or any luger for that matter. I wouldnt dare guess?? No Cheating!