EG Luger

MarkC · 03-04-2006, 10:46 PM

Here it is boys! Found this one at NGD in Louisville.

Dieter Marschall describes it in detail on page 4 of "Handguns Of The Armed Organizations Of The Soviet Occupation Zone And German Democratic Rupublic"

Mark

Edward Tinker · 03-04-2006, 10:49 PM

Mark, this is one of the NEW made east german?? (new made in the 50's)...

Very cool! I am jealous

Ed

MarkC · 03-04-2006, 11:09 PM

Ed,

I'm going to take the gun apart and do a comparison of parts as in my EG New production P.38.

http://www.p38guns.com/AB9.htm

Notice the unusual size of the take down lever in the photo of the Luger.

Mark

Edward Tinker · 03-04-2006, 11:40 PM

Mark, if so inclined, I would love to see large, detailed photos of the parts

I am very happy for you, great find and congrats!

Ed

MarkC · 03-05-2006, 08:49 AM

Ed,

It will be a week or two before I get a chance to take more photo's. I will certainly post some large detailed photo's.

Mark

John Sabato · 03-06-2006, 03:44 PM

Mark, What kind of toggle stamp (MFG mark) does is have? Thanks.

MarkC · 03-06-2006, 04:08 PM

John,

Here is a photo of the toggle, the chamber is unmarked.

Mark

John Sabato · 03-07-2006, 04:00 PM

thanks Mark,

I notice that the sideplate and upper receiver are drilled and milled for the sear safety... but it is not installed... this is curious. I wonder if they were never installed? or if they were removed.

MarkC · 03-07-2006, 04:18 PM

John,

I don't believe they were ever installed. A fellow collector Friedrich MÃ?Â¼ller from Germany has made the following observations about the "N" series guns.

- the frame is without lanyard loop and stock lug
- milling on the top of the sideplate and holes in the frame for use of a Schiwy safety !!
- lock bolt without the milling on the rear side
- the unlock curves are reset 2 mm to behind, therefore the thumb safety lever way is somewhat shorter as usual
- rear toggle only with Ã¢??outsideÃ¢?Â checkering
- the trigger is manufactured from investment casting with only minor rework
- the milling for the extractor is prolonged to behind
- the recoil spring shows 24 than the usual 18 windings
- the trigger is excentric given after the pistols right side
- inside the frame the milling is according to a Krieghoff
- the coupling link pin is a riveted bold
- there are serial numbers on frame and slide only
- barrel length is 100 mm
- post war mag. from the former Schmeisser factory with 2/1001 code
- very rough finish on the outside
- quite good internal finish of frame and slide
- only Suhler proof marks no other inscriptions or marks

Interesting, eh?

Mark

John Sabato · 03-07-2006, 10:28 PM

Very Interesting indeed... As good as you are with a camera and image software, you would find quite an audience on this forum for the kind of photo essay that is normally done by John D. with the Krieghoff pistols... This is certainly a specimen that deserves that kind of documentation if you are up to it and can afford the time. I for one, would be grateful to see that kind of photo forensics on this pistol.

MarkC · 03-08-2006, 09:28 AM

John,

I had planned to take the pistol completely apart and do a photo essay comparing this new production's parts to a WWII gun, so using Friedrich MÃ?Â¼ller's outline for photo forensics is not a bad idea!

Time is a bit tight right now but most likely in the next few weeks I'll take the photos.

Mark

Ron Smith · 03-08-2006, 09:43 AM

Hey Cisco,

I REALLY like this one.

Congratulations!

Ron

03-04-2006, 10:46 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	EG Luger Here it is boys! Found this one at NGD in Louisville. Dieter Marschall describes it in detail on page 4 of "Handguns Of The Armed Organizations Of The Soviet Occupation Zone And German Democratic Rupublic" Mark

03-06-2006, 03:44 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Mark, What kind of toggle stamp (MFG mark) does is have? Thanks. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-07-2006, 04:00 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	thanks Mark, I notice that the sideplate and upper receiver are drilled and milled for the sear safety... but it is not installed... this is curious. I wonder if they were never installed? or if they were removed. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-07-2006, 10:28 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Very Interesting indeed... As good as you are with a camera and image software, you would find quite an audience on this forum for the kind of photo essay that is normally done by John D. with the Krieghoff pistols... This is certainly a specimen that deserves that kind of documentation if you are up to it and can afford the time. I for one, would be grateful to see that kind of photo forensics on this pistol. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-08-2006, 09:43 AM	#12
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hey Cisco, I REALLY like this one. Congratulations! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-04-2006, 10:49 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Mark, this is one of the NEW made east german?? (new made in the 50's)... Very cool! I am jealous Ed

03-04-2006, 11:09 PM	#3
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Ed, I'm going to take the gun apart and do a comparison of parts as in my EG New production P.38. http://www.p38guns.com/AB9.htm Notice the unusual size of the take down lever in the photo of the Luger. Mark

03-04-2006, 11:40 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Mark, if so inclined, I would love to see large, detailed photos of the parts I am very happy for you, great find and congrats! Ed

03-05-2006, 08:49 AM	#5
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Ed, It will be a week or two before I get a chance to take more photo's. I will certainly post some large detailed photo's. Mark

03-06-2006, 04:08 PM	#7
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	John, Here is a photo of the toggle, the chamber is unmarked. Mark

03-07-2006, 04:18 PM	#9
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	John, I don't believe they were ever installed. A fellow collector Friedrich MÃ?Â¼ller from Germany has made the following observations about the "N" series guns. - the frame is without lanyard loop and stock lug - milling on the top of the sideplate and holes in the frame for use of a Schiwy safety !! - lock bolt without the milling on the rear side - the unlock curves are reset 2 mm to behind, therefore the thumb safety lever way is somewhat shorter as usual - rear toggle only with Ã¢??outsideÃ¢?Â checkering - the trigger is manufactured from investment casting with only minor rework - the milling for the extractor is prolonged to behind - the recoil spring shows 24 than the usual 18 windings - the trigger is excentric given after the pistols right side - inside the frame the milling is according to a Krieghoff - the coupling link pin is a riveted bold - there are serial numbers on frame and slide only - barrel length is 100 mm - post war mag. from the former Schmeisser factory with 2/1001 code - very rough finish on the outside - quite good internal finish of frame and slide - only Suhler proof marks no other inscriptions or marks Interesting, eh? Mark

03-08-2006, 09:28 AM	#11
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	John, I had planned to take the pistol completely apart and do a photo essay comparing this new production's parts to a WWII gun, so using Friedrich MÃ?Â¼ller's outline for photo forensics is not a bad idea! Time is a bit tight right now but most likely in the next few weeks I'll take the photos. Mark

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