The KÃ?Â¼ Luger and its origins

MauserLugers · 09-03-2003, 12:16 PM

I'm getting confused here with all these E/2 marks on the barrel, breech, and right receiver. If I'm not mistaken, this is the LA or LZA stamp as some call it, and has nothing to do with an E/2! In my opinion, this stamps looks like an LA to me.

I looked at my two KU Lugers and I do not see any interior parts marked with the Krieghoff E/2 proofs. Perhaps the ones T.H. observered were one of a kind or someone has pieced the Luger together sometime along the way. I know my 2 are all original and they sure don't have these marks on any interior parts. I've had a couple of others over the years and as I remember they did not have any interior E/2 marking either. Perhaps some of these "unique" KU's have been made "unique" by the last dealer that sold them? I do know that Auto Mag had an article about fake KU Lugers and I know that I bought and resold 2 KU Lugers that a dealer had that were refinished. Anytime these guys refinish and mess with this stuff you'll never how they were originally found.

One of my KU's has an S/42 on the barrel and a W/154. No serial number and this was a G-date spare part. The real KU Lugers lack serial numbers on some of there parts as compared to a military example, so this might suggest something. Rear axle pins can be blank, hold opens can be blank, and the rear toggle can be blank just to mention a few.

In my opinion there is no question that these are made from Mauser parts. They resemble the late Banner two digit Lugers with the lack of some serial numbers on the small parts. I found no E/2 parts on any that I have examined to this point. I know that spare parts were used with Mauser codes of S/42, or 42, but I highly doubt any of these parts are rejected. I feel that term (rejected) has been totally mis-used.

Interesting discussion here with nothing to support anything new in my opinion. Still a guess what the LA means and who assembled them. My guess is that Mauser had something to do with them due to getting all the spare parts in one central location to assemble. Spare parts would be scattered all over the place in late 1942 and later. If these were assembled anytime from 1942 to 1945 they would have to have access to the parts bins. --- Bill

09-03-2003, 12:16 PM	#21
MauserLugers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Philipsburg, Montana 59858 Posts: 250 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	I'm getting confused here with all these E/2 marks on the barrel, breech, and right receiver. If I'm not mistaken, this is the LA or LZA stamp as some call it, and has nothing to do with an E/2! In my opinion, this stamps looks like an LA to me. I looked at my two KU Lugers and I do not see any interior parts marked with the Krieghoff E/2 proofs. Perhaps the ones T.H. observered were one of a kind or someone has pieced the Luger together sometime along the way. I know my 2 are all original and they sure don't have these marks on any interior parts. I've had a couple of others over the years and as I remember they did not have any interior E/2 marking either. Perhaps some of these "unique" KU's have been made "unique" by the last dealer that sold them? I do know that Auto Mag had an article about fake KU Lugers and I know that I bought and resold 2 KU Lugers that a dealer had that were refinished. Anytime these guys refinish and mess with this stuff you'll never how they were originally found. One of my KU's has an S/42 on the barrel and a W/154. No serial number and this was a G-date spare part. The real KU Lugers lack serial numbers on some of there parts as compared to a military example, so this might suggest something. Rear axle pins can be blank, hold opens can be blank, and the rear toggle can be blank just to mention a few. In my opinion there is no question that these are made from Mauser parts. They resemble the late Banner two digit Lugers with the lack of some serial numbers on the small parts. I found no E/2 parts on any that I have examined to this point. I know that spare parts were used with Mauser codes of S/42, or 42, but I highly doubt any of these parts are rejected. I feel that term (rejected) has been totally mis-used. Interesting discussion here with nothing to support anything new in my opinion. Still a guess what the LA means and who assembled them. My guess is that Mauser had something to do with them due to getting all the spare parts in one central location to assemble. Spare parts would be scattered all over the place in late 1942 and later. If these were assembled anytime from 1942 to 1945 they would have to have access to the parts bins. --- Bill