1939 Mauser Banner E/F

Edward Tinker · 07-07-2016, 11:18 AM

REWROTE - you have a Simson plate on a Mauser - I HAVE NOT SEEN BANNERS WITH THE EAGLE 6 EXCEPT IN PASSING - AMAWZING THAT YOU FOUND MORE THAN ONE. WE ALL LEARN SOMETHING NEW. BUT I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF BANNER LUGERS IN MY HANDS AND THIS IS THE FIRST I HAVE SEEN WITH A SIMSON ON THE SIDEPLATE. .

Jan wrote Third Reich Lugers in 1988 - that is now 28 years old - and during that time I have found that many Simson parts were not used for Banner Police Lugers - I would say that you find Simson barrels and sometimes some other parts on Police guns, but I would not say that there was a large stockpile of everything and used whenever they needed a part.
Simson parts went to Krieghoff - those that floated around could have been used by depots or police armorer. The HZA marking, thats a depot, not a police armory. One in this shape, why did it need two replacement parts (or if the HZA is for simple repair, which is possible, wouldn't a depot use Mauser parts, which had been made since 1934?)
But it has an Eagle F on the right - I can see that it is dated 1939, if dated 1939 then it would have all parts stamped in the military fashion, so all small parts would be last two (63)

The sideplate makes it matching? to a degree...
Is the safety lever bar matched, as it looks like a different number?
How are other parts matched?
Toggle, firing pin, rear toggle pin numbered (required after the mid 30's)

I'm not saying that its not possible that parts were swapped at the HZA, but that does not keep doubt from collectors wanting to know why?

You asked and this is my opinion.

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	REWROTE - you have a Simson plate on a Mauser - I HAVE NOT SEEN BANNERS WITH THE EAGLE 6 EXCEPT IN PASSING - AMAWZING THAT YOU FOUND MORE THAN ONE. WE ALL LEARN SOMETHING NEW. BUT I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF BANNER LUGERS IN MY HANDS AND THIS IS THE FIRST I HAVE SEEN WITH A SIMSON ON THE SIDEPLATE. . Jan wrote Third Reich Lugers in 1988 - that is now 28 years old - and during that time I have found that many Simson parts were not used for Banner Police Lugers - I would say that you find Simson barrels and sometimes some other parts on Police guns, but I would not say that there was a large stockpile of everything and used whenever they needed a part. Simson parts went to Krieghoff - those that floated around *could* have been used by depots or police armorer. The HZA marking, thats a depot, not a police armory. One in this shape, why did it need two replacement parts (or if the HZA is for simple repair, which is possible, wouldn't a depot use Mauser parts, which had been made since 1934?) But it has an Eagle F on the right - I can see that it is dated 1939, if dated 1939 then it would have all parts stamped in the military fashion, so all small parts would be last two (63) The sideplate makes it matching? to a degree... Is the safety lever bar matched, as it looks like a different number? How are other parts matched? Toggle, firing pin, rear toggle pin numbered (required after the mid 30's) I'm not saying that its not possible that parts were swapped at the HZA, but that does not keep doubt from collectors wanting to know why? You asked and this is my opinion. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV Last edited by Edward Tinker; 07-07-2016 at 02:41 PM.