Two odd Lugers

Can any one help me identify two Lugers I have recently picked up.

Luger 1,


1921 DWM serial number 87982 , Cal 9mm. All matching numbers except the magazine.

There is what looks like an X in a circle under the number on the front of the frame.

It has no marks other than the commercial proofs of a crown over N on the barrel, the side of the toggle and the frame. It has no stock lug. The gun looks to have been arsenal refinished in a black blue all over

Including sears, trigger etc. The gun has been machined for the sear safety but the sear safety is missing. It has dark brown (almost black) bakelite grips with a series of five concentric circles molded in at the same height as the magazine release button.


Luger 2,


1917 DWM serial number 7769. Only two numbers on the entire gun (9mm). It has Imperial army acceptance marks plus 3 gothic army inspectors marks on the usual side.

The barrel is one inch longer that the usual 4 inch and the front sight is the same as a Swedish lathi sights.

The barrel is marked with a circle containing a triangle and a T inside the triangle.

The toggles are smooth (no knurling) and the edges of the toggles are rounded.

Murray Willis,

Great Barrier Island

New Zealand