Black Grip Story

Marvin · 07-06-2001, 10:24 AM

OK, I have been working this morning to determine if the information I received on the grips was correct or not. After a couple of calls to Germany this morning I now know the truth. Patrick was correct; Gortz did fake up this tale! I was shocked that he would do that and my friend in Germany was also.

This was an attempt to find more information with some type back-up as to when the black grips began to be used and not to discredit anyone. Bill M. makes some very good points, but we disagree as to the exact time they began to be used. This is OK, as there is no problem with this; we all want to know as close as possible when they were begun.

My problem is that I was out of town and never had a chance to look at the Forum until Thursday morning. Wow, did I get jumped on for this information which I took to be correct. I was not able to get on the Forum, or make any calls to verify if the story was true before getting "beat-up" for trying to pull a "Hoax" on everyone. This is not my nature to do this and I am surprised at the tone from some of you in the postings. If I make a mistake I will be the first one to say "wow, I was wrong" and try to correct it.

I was almost ready to give up on this Forum, but I decided this morning that no, I would not do that. I am now going on a trial basis to stay with the Forum to see if anything does change. I sure hope that some of the tones in posting improve when there are disagreements. This is a fun thing for us and educational for all Luger lovers. As stated earlier, "we can agree to disagree and still remain friend". If the tone of postings don't reflect this there will be problems. In closing, give someone time to respond to a disagreement, don't just assume and jump on them.

No offense will be taken by me from anyone.

Marvin

John Sabato · 07-06-2001, 10:55 AM

You are truely a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks for your fine followup on the Black Grip story, and your calm reaction to what could otherwise have been a regretful incident for us all.

Glad you are part of this forum!

-JS

Luke · 07-06-2001, 12:17 PM

What John said.

Luke

07-06-2001, 12:32 PM

Thanks Marvin. I for one agree with you we have too many people jumping or should I say piling on when someone makes a statement that they don't agree with. We can't afford to lose people like you. Appreciate your inputs to Auto Mag as well.

bill m · 07-06-2001, 12:48 PM

Hi Marvin,

Glad you got this cleared up. I don't think you should feel so badly about this whole thing, as I did not take it that anything was addressed towards you personally, but more to the nature of your post. As far as responding to the post, isn't that what we are suppose to do? You posted some very controversial statements and the forum did just what it is suppose to do -- respond -- some in agreement and some not. Whenever you post something that is going to "change the rules", so to speak, you should be prepared to take some heat. Your intentions were of the most honorable, but the fact remains that your post was a "hoax" or "prank" and the members of the Luger Forum caught this, questioned it, and eventually found the truth. This is what the Forum is suppose to do. Your the one that got taken in, Marvin, so don't be down on the Forum, or the members, but rather be put out with the "pranksters" that passed this information on to you!!

jerry peters · 07-06-2001, 08:07 PM

Way to go Marvin.!! You are a great asset to the Forum.

Big Norm · 07-07-2001, 09:19 PM

Hey Marv, stick around. I didn't happen to read the particular article that got everyone hot and bothered. But I did notice that lately a lot of people have been getting uptight over nothing. Maybe its the humid weather. I got mad over the Nazi strings recently and almost quit over the extremes that a few people went to. The fun of this forum was almost lost. I am not in favor of censorship but some people went too far. I was hoping that DOK would pull it. I managed to mostly keep my mouth shut and just quit reading it.

I personally enjoy this forum and you are one of the people that I look for. Stick around.

Big Norm

07-06-2001, 10:24 AM	#1
Marvin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upstate S.C. Posts: 1,132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Black Grip Story OK, I have been working this morning to determine if the information I received on the grips was correct or not. After a couple of calls to Germany this morning I now know the truth. Patrick was correct; Gortz did fake up this tale! I was shocked that he would do that and my friend in Germany was also. This was an attempt to find more information with some type back-up as to when the black grips began to be used and not to discredit anyone. Bill M. makes some very good points, but we disagree as to the exact time they began to be used. This is OK, as there is no problem with this; we all want to know as close as possible when they were begun. My problem is that I was out of town and never had a chance to look at the Forum until Thursday morning. Wow, did I get jumped on for this information which I took to be correct. I was not able to get on the Forum, or make any calls to verify if the story was true before getting "beat-up" for trying to pull a "Hoax" on everyone. This is not my nature to do this and I am surprised at the tone from some of you in the postings. If I make a mistake I will be the first one to say "wow, I was wrong" and try to correct it. I was almost ready to give up on this Forum, but I decided this morning that no, I would not do that. I am now going on a trial basis to stay with the Forum to see if anything does change. I sure hope that some of the tones in posting improve when there are disagreements. This is a fun thing for us and educational for all Luger lovers. As stated earlier, "we can agree to disagree and still remain friend". If the tone of postings don't reflect this there will be problems. In closing, give someone time to respond to a disagreement, don't just assume and jump on them. No offense will be taken by me from anyone. Marvin

07-06-2001, 10:55 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hats off to you Marvin... You are truely a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks for your fine followup on the Black Grip story, and your calm reaction to what could otherwise have been a regretful incident for us all. Glad you are part of this forum! -JS

07-06-2001, 12:17 PM	#3
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Hats off to you Marvin... What John said. Luke

07-06-2001, 12:32 PM	#4
Tracy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Black Grip Story Thanks Marvin. I for one agree with you we have too many people jumping or should I say piling on when someone makes a statement that they don't agree with. We can't afford to lose people like you. Appreciate your inputs to Auto Mag as well.

07-06-2001, 12:48 PM	#5
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Black Grip Story Hi Marvin, Glad you got this cleared up. I don't think you should feel so badly about this whole thing, as I did not take it that anything was addressed towards you personally, but more to the nature of your post. As far as responding to the post, isn't that what we are suppose to do? You posted some very controversial statements and the forum did just what it is suppose to do -- respond -- some in agreement and some not. Whenever you post something that is going to "change the rules", so to speak, you should be prepared to take some heat. Your intentions were of the most honorable, but the fact remains that your post was a "hoax" or "prank" and the members of the Luger Forum caught this, questioned it, and eventually found the truth. This is what the Forum is suppose to do. Your the one that got taken in, Marvin, so don't be down on the Forum, or the members, but rather be put out with the "pranksters" that passed this information on to you!!

07-06-2001, 08:07 PM	#6
jerry peters User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Black Grip Story Way to go Marvin.!! You are a great asset to the Forum.

07-07-2001, 09:19 PM	#7
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Black Grip Story Hey Marv, stick around. I didn't happen to read the particular article that got everyone hot and bothered. But I did notice that lately a lot of people have been getting uptight over nothing. Maybe its the humid weather. I got mad over the Nazi strings recently and almost quit over the extremes that a few people went to. The fun of this forum was almost lost. I am not in favor of censorship but some people went too far. I was hoping that DOK would pull it. I managed to mostly keep my mouth shut and just quit reading it. I personally enjoy this forum and you are one of the people that I look for. Stick around. Big Norm