Auction Luger

G.W. Gill · 07-09-2005, 01:06 AM

I was net surfing and noticed Greg Martin Auction Lot # 261. I have no connection.

Pete Ebbink · 07-11-2005, 01:05 AM

Link :

http://67.155.195.3:8050/FMPro?-db=G...ID=48259&-find

Looks like the G-M folks had a typo...said it was in 8 mm...

G.W. Gill · 07-11-2005, 02:27 AM

Hi Pete, Thanks for adding the link. I noticed that also.

Edward Tinker · 07-11-2005, 12:12 PM

Now, I have heard that after WW2, there were hundreds of thousands of 8mm nambu that came to the country and "lots" {quote / unquote of lots} of lugers were chambered to this cartridge... Has anyone ever seen a "real" one?

Ralph has one, but it is a pretend gun...

Ed

John Sabato · 07-11-2005, 12:24 PM

The link posted above doesn't work for me... I get a "connection refused" error message when I click on it... is it working for anyone else?

Rod WMG · 07-11-2005, 02:53 PM

I hesitate to even ask these things, but I need to learn about Lugers, so...

1) Is the wood or whatever on that mag correct? I sure seems "off color" so far as the ones I've seen. Maybe it's just the photo.

2) I'm not trying to be smart alecky, but how does one convert an 9mm to an 8mm? I admit I haven't researched the 8mm Nambu and it may be close enough in bore diameter that a chamber reaming could be done, depending on the length and shape of the case. Or, is a rebarrel necessary? Does this one look like a rebarrel to the experts here?

Dwight Gruber · 07-11-2005, 03:46 PM

Rod,

The item description lists the magazine bottom as "ivoroid". As far as I have been able to determine, ivoroid, or ivorine, is a white celluloid material, sometimes cast, and finished to look like elephant ivory. It seems to have heavy use in stringed musical instruments, being used for tunig pegs, picks, and inlay and end-cap decoration. It has also been used for buttons and small picture frames, and other tchotchkis.

To convert 9mm to 8mm one would have to replace (or reline) the barrel. That is not the issue with the gun under discussion. It is a model 1900, with a .30 cal (7.65mm) pencil barrel. These get -really- thin toward the muzzle. Reboring to 8mm and rifling would very likely breach the outer surface at some point, or at the very least make the metal near the muzzle to be so thin as to be unsound.

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 07-11-2005, 04:53 PM

Rod,
I suspect you probably know as much about Lugers as the individual writing the descriptions for Greg Martin auctions. They have a 9mm 1920 Commercial and a 7.65mm 1900 American Eagle, both listed as 8mm! Perhaps "8mm" is their shorthand for "I don't know exactly what caliber it is and I am too lazy to look it up, so I will just list it in between and let the buyer figure it out".

Rod WMG · 07-11-2005, 07:02 PM

You know, guys, I didn't have my brain in gear on this. I didn't eved consider that it was a 7.65. I know they exist, but Lugers are so rare in the circles I travel in that I don't think I've ever even seen one in that chambering. I just naturally think only in terms of 9mm in connection with Lugers.

I just flat missed the "ivoroid" notation. And I forgot to consider the possibility of relining the barrel.

Thanks for the info.

Edward Tinker · 07-11-2005, 07:18 PM

and I simply answered, never looked to see what it really was. Guess I'm just a lazy bum

07-09-2005, 01:06 AM	#1
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Auction Luger I was net surfing and noticed Greg Martin Auction Lot # 261. I have no connection.

07-11-2005, 12:24 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	The link posted above doesn't work for me... I get a "connection refused" error message when I click on it... is it working for anyone else? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-11-2005, 04:53 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	Rod, I suspect you probably know as much about Lugers as the individual writing the descriptions for Greg Martin auctions. They have a 9mm 1920 Commercial and a 7.65mm 1900 American Eagle, both listed as 8mm! Perhaps "8mm" is their shorthand for "I don't know exactly what caliber it is and I am too lazy to look it up, so I will just list it in between and let the buyer figure it out". __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-11-2005, 07:18 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,608 Times in 2,123 Posts	and I simply answered, never looked to see what it really was. Guess I'm just a lazy bum __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-11-2005, 01:05 AM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Link : http://67.155.195.3:8050/FMPro?-db=G...ID=48259&-find Looks like the G-M folks had a typo...said it was in 8 mm...

07-11-2005, 02:27 AM	#3
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Pete, Thanks for adding the link. I noticed that also.

07-11-2005, 12:12 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,608 Times in 2,123 Posts	Now, I have heard that after WW2, there were hundreds of thousands of 8mm nambu that came to the country and "lots" {quote / unquote of lots} of lugers were chambered to this cartridge... Has anyone ever seen a "real" one? Ralph has one, but it is a pretend gun... Ed

07-11-2005, 02:53 PM	#6
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I hesitate to even ask these things, but I need to learn about Lugers, so... 1) Is the wood or whatever on that mag correct? I sure seems "off color" so far as the ones I've seen. Maybe it's just the photo. 2) I'm not trying to be smart alecky, but how does one convert an 9mm to an 8mm? I admit I haven't researched the 8mm Nambu and it may be close enough in bore diameter that a chamber reaming could be done, depending on the length and shape of the case. Or, is a rebarrel necessary? Does this one look like a rebarrel to the experts here?

07-11-2005, 03:46 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Rod, The item description lists the magazine bottom as "ivoroid". As far as I have been able to determine, ivoroid, or ivorine, is a white celluloid material, sometimes cast, and finished to look like elephant ivory. It seems to have heavy use in stringed musical instruments, being used for tunig pegs, picks, and inlay and end-cap decoration. It has also been used for buttons and small picture frames, and other tchotchkis. To convert 9mm to 8mm one would have to replace (or reline) the barrel. That is not the issue with the gun under discussion. It is a model 1900, with a .30 cal (7.65mm) pencil barrel. These get -really- thin toward the muzzle. Reboring to 8mm and rifling would very likely breach the outer surface at some point, or at the very least make the metal near the muzzle to be so thin as to be unsound. --Dwight

07-11-2005, 07:02 PM	#9
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You know, guys, I didn't have my brain in gear on this. I didn't eved consider that it was a 7.65. I know they exist, but Lugers are so rare in the circles I travel in that I don't think I've ever even seen one in that chambering. I just naturally think only in terms of 9mm in connection with Lugers. I just flat missed the "ivoroid" notation. And I forgot to consider the possibility of relining the barrel. Thanks for the info.