Weak 7.65 Ammo

Sieger · 07-24-2003, 11:39 PM

Dear Doubs:

Rather than have all of the other fine (and exceptionally strong) pistols you site in your fantastic response malfunction, why don't the manufactures simply mark their boxes "NOT FOR GLISENTI PISTOLS" and properly load (to higher pressures) the 7.65 Parabellum?!?

This is using too much common sense , I would guess!!!

Bob

Ron Wood · 07-24-2003, 11:54 PM

People do not read the warning labels on cigarettes, the caution about wearing seat belts, and a thousand other hazardous warnings go ignored. Look at the "billboard" warning on Ruger pistols, simply because somebody won a lawsuit against Ruger because they bought a gun without an instruction book. Common sense is an endangered species, lawyers aren't.

Sieger · 07-25-2003, 01:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ron Wood:
People do not read the warning labels on cigarettes, the caution about wearing seat belts, and a thousand other hazardous warnings go ignored. Look at the "billboard" warning on Ruger pistols, simply because somebody won a lawsuit against Ruger because they bought a gun without an instruction book. Common sense is an endangered species, lawyers aren't.<hr /></blockquote>Dear Ron:

What you say here is sad but also true!!

Bob

unspellable · 07-25-2003, 07:48 AM

Actually, I think the Glisenti would take the original DWM 7.65 mm Parabellum load. It's the 9 mm Parabellum that's a bit too much for it. The Glisenti apparently will take a reasonable level of pressure but begins to look a bit weak when you atart talking about impulse. The frame and locking system are apparently not everything they could be. I am sure there are others lurking around here who knopw more about the fine points of the Glisenti than I do.

You will find the 9 mm Glisenti cartridge listed in "Cartridges of the World".

unspellable · 07-25-2003, 07:48 AM

Actually, I think the Glisenti would take the original DWM 7.65 mm Parabellum load. It's the 9 mm Parabellum that's a bit too much for it. The Glisenti apparently will take a reasonable level of pressure but begins to look a bit weak when you atart talking about impulse. The frame and locking system are apparently not everything they could be. I am sure there are others lurking around here who knopw more about the fine points of the Glisenti than I do.

You will find the 9 mm Glisenti cartridge listed in "Cartridges of the World".

Sieger · 07-25-2003, 08:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by unspellable:
Actually, I think the Glisenti would take the original DWM 7.65 mm Parabellum load. It's the 9 mm Parabellum that's a bit too much for it. The Glisenti apparently will take a reasonable level of pressure but begins to look a bit weak when you atart talking about impulse. The frame and locking system are apparently not everything they could be. I am sure there are others lurking around here who knopw more about the fine points of the Glisenti than I do.

You will find the 9 mm Glisenti cartridge listed in "Cartridges of the World".<hr /></blockquote>Dear Unspellable:

Cartridges of the World lists the original 9mm Glisenti load as: 124 gr. bullet @ approximately 1050 fps. This is almost exactly the same as the original DWM load for the Parabellum.

Bob

unspellable · 07-25-2003, 10:42 AM

Sieger,

Now that you mention it, the 9 mm Glisenti does seem similar to the original 9 mm Parabellum load. A point to remember is that the original 9 mm Parabellum load was for the Old Model parabellum which used the same recoil spring for both calibers. With the New Model and its coiled recoil spring, DWM began the practice of two diffeent springs for the two calibers, allowing the 9 mm Parabellum load to be cranked up a bit.

07-24-2003, 11:39 PM	#1
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	Weak 7.65 Ammo Dear Doubs: Rather than have all of the other fine (and exceptionally strong) pistols you site in your fantastic response malfunction, why don't the manufactures simply mark their boxes "NOT FOR GLISENTI PISTOLS" and properly load (to higher pressures) the 7.65 Parabellum?!? This is using too much common sense , I would guess!!! Bob

07-24-2003, 11:54 PM	#2
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07-25-2003, 01:06 AM	#3
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ron Wood: <strong>People do not read the warning labels on cigarettes, the caution about wearing seat belts, and a thousand other hazardous warnings go ignored. Look at the "billboard" warning on Ruger pistols, simply because somebody won a lawsuit against Ruger because they bought a gun without an instruction book. Common sense is an endangered species, lawyers aren't.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Dear Ron: What you say here is sad but also true!! Bob

07-25-2003, 08:51 AM	#6
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by unspellable: <strong>Actually, I think the Glisenti would take the original DWM 7.65 mm Parabellum load. It's the 9 mm Parabellum that's a bit too much for it. The Glisenti apparently will take a reasonable level of pressure but begins to look a bit weak when you atart talking about impulse. The frame and locking system are apparently not everything they could be. I am sure there are others lurking around here who knopw more about the fine points of the Glisenti than I do. You will find the 9 mm Glisenti cartridge listed in "Cartridges of the World".</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Dear Unspellable: Cartridges of the World lists the original 9mm Glisenti load as: 124 gr. bullet @ approximately 1050 fps. This is almost exactly the same as the original DWM load for the Parabellum. Bob

07-25-2003, 07:48 AM	#4
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	Actually, I think the Glisenti would take the original DWM 7.65 mm Parabellum load. It's the 9 mm Parabellum that's a bit too much for it. The Glisenti apparently will take a reasonable level of pressure but begins to look a bit weak when you atart talking about impulse. The frame and locking system are apparently not everything they could be. I am sure there are others lurking around here who knopw more about the fine points of the Glisenti than I do. You will find the 9 mm Glisenti cartridge listed in "Cartridges of the World".

07-25-2003, 10:42 AM	#7
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	Sieger, Now that you mention it, the 9 mm Glisenti does seem similar to the original 9 mm Parabellum load. A point to remember is that the original 9 mm Parabellum load was for the Old Model parabellum which used the same recoil spring for both calibers. With the New Model and its coiled recoil spring, DWM began the practice of two diffeent springs for the two calibers, allowing the 9 mm Parabellum load to be cranked up a bit.