Anyone ever heard of a take-down mag? <img BORDER="0" src='http://boards.rennlist.com/luger/pic.gif'

John Sabato · 06-04-2001, 02:11 PM

There is one on eBay and it has a very unusual wooden bottom as this picture shows... I can't say I have ever seen a mag bottom like this...

-John

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1151378171
http://www.huntel.net/boses255/Jun01$10.jpg

06-04-2001, 02:20 PM

It is a Dutch Magazine.

John Sabato · 06-04-2001, 02:35 PM

Does it have some kind of quick release lever that allows field removal and replacement of mag bottom?

-John

jerry peters · 06-04-2001, 03:00 PM

It's a Dutch Mag. I have a bid in on it but, it should not be "pinned", I believe.

Patrick · 06-04-2001, 03:17 PM

John, Dutch contract Lugers had a magazine with a base that could be removed for cleaning. The spring was "V" shaped with a bend at each end. One side was depressed to remove the base. I believe that the original mags were adapted after delivery to Holland. The Dutch considered this to be unreliable and some time later, a pin was inserted so that the base could no longer be removed. There are very few left without the pin.Sometimes collectors remove the pin - but the hole should still be there.Patrick

John Sabato · 06-04-2001, 03:22 PM

I hadn't even finished composing my question and you had already answered!

-JS

Patrick · 06-04-2001, 04:30 PM

John, Whitsun weatherÃ?Â´s been really bad here and IÃ?Â´ve been grounded. IÃ?Â´ve never seen a Dutch mag without the locking pin but have been told that, if you took the pin out, it would still have the "V" spring in place. I take it that both ends of the "V" are rounded. One end holds the base against the side of the mag and the other holds the wooden base. With the locking pin removed, you squash the "V" spring to remove the base - and then the mag spring and all the rest comes out. Ralph is sure to have at least one in working order.Patrick

G.T. · 06-04-2001, 04:58 PM

Hello to all! Patrick has been pretty much correct on his previous posts, but there a few additions I would like to share...first I have seen both, pinned or repaired, and original, with no modifications at all. The pinned variation are in the vast majority of all Dutch mags that I have seen, which isn't that many!!......most will have a single pin through the front part of the mag, although I have occasionally seen Dutch mag's with two pins, the second being installed through the spring area, where, the original spring retainer had probably failed....The only way you can tell that it is original is that the rear retaining hole is usually not located the same as a regular P.08 mag....Almost every spring, in all the mags, were broken, which I think, was the reason for the repair or modification in the first place....The spring is a complicated little devel, in that it is made in such a way that a pin holds it in the upper part of the rear of the mag. bottom, this holds the bottom to the spring! Then on the rear spine of the mag, there is a rectangular notch in which a folded part of the spring snaps into.....nothing that is visable, has any part of the retaining function...This also is why the spring failed, many sharp bends and complex forming....doomed from the start!! Almost all of these mag's exhibited another similar trait, the wood was very dark, and showed a lot of use.....hope it this helps!! till...later....G.T.

Hugh · 06-04-2001, 05:09 PM

From Jan Still's "WEIMAR LUGERS" page 300

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/dutchmag.jpg

06-04-2001, 05:44 PM

Judging from the excellent condition of the wood and the pin hole in the tube, this appears to be one of the repro bottoms (and sold as such) that GT made for me years ago when SARCO was selling original Dutch mags with bad bottoms for $75. I do still have a few springs left for these, if needed.

BILL · 06-04-2001, 11:58 PM

Good information on the Dutch 'quick release' magazine. It would have made a marvelous quiz question. Also, it is very nice to know the probable origin of the magazine. I haven't seen anything on eBay yet that I have owned at some time past, but I have seen things at gun shows, being sold by someone I didn't know, that I have sold to people in the past.

06-04-2001, 02:11 PM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Anyone ever heard of a take-down mag? There is one on eBay and it has a very unusual wooden bottom as this picture shows... I can't say I have ever seen a mag bottom like this... -John http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1151378171 http://www.huntel.net/boses255/Jun01$10.jpg

06-04-2001, 02:20 PM	#2
Art Buchanan Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Anyone ever heard of a take-down mag? It is a Dutch Magazine.

06-04-2001, 02:35 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Thanks Art, now what exactly does the 'take down' mean Does it have some kind of quick release lever that allows field removal and replacement of mag bottom? -John

06-04-2001, 03:00 PM	#4
jerry peters User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 54 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Thanks Art, now what exactly does the 'take down' mean It's a Dutch Mag. I have a bid in on it but, it should not be "pinned", I believe.

06-04-2001, 03:17 PM	#5
Patrick User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 241 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Thanks Art, now what exactly does the 'take down' mean John, Dutch contract Lugers had a magazine with a base that could be removed for cleaning. The spring was "V" shaped with a bend at each end. One side was depressed to remove the base. I believe that the original mags were adapted after delivery to Holland. The Dutch considered this to be unreliable and some time later, a pin was inserted so that the base could no longer be removed. There are very few left without the pin.Sometimes collectors remove the pin - but the hole should still be there.Patrick

06-04-2001, 03:22 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Jerry, the side view of this mag does indeed show a pin Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Thanks Patrick! You are always on top of things! I hadn't even finished composing my question and you had already answered! -JS

06-04-2001, 04:30 PM	#8
Patrick User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 241 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Thanks Patrick! You are always on top of things! John, Whitsun weatherÃ?Â´s been really bad here and IÃ?Â´ve been grounded. IÃ?Â´ve never seen a Dutch mag without the locking pin but have been told that, if you took the pin out, it would still have the "V" spring in place. I take it that both ends of the "V" are rounded. One end holds the base against the side of the mag and the other holds the wooden base. With the locking pin removed, you squash the "V" spring to remove the base - and then the mag spring and all the rest comes out. Ralph is sure to have at least one in working order.Patrick

06-04-2001, 04:58 PM	#9
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,541 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 3,742 Times in 1,020 Posts	Dutch mag's with spring/ pin! Hello to all! Patrick has been pretty much correct on his previous posts, but there a few additions I would like to share...first I have seen both, pinned or repaired, and original, with no modifications at all. The pinned variation are in the vast majority of all Dutch mags that I have seen, which isn't that many!!......most will have a single pin through the front part of the mag, although I have occasionally seen Dutch mag's with two pins, the second being installed through the spring area, where, the original spring retainer had probably failed....The only way you can tell that it is original is that the rear retaining hole is usually not located the same as a regular P.08 mag....Almost every spring, in all the mags, were broken, which I think, was the reason for the repair or modification in the first place....The spring is a complicated little devel, in that it is made in such a way that a pin holds it in the upper part of the rear of the mag. bottom, this holds the bottom to the spring! Then on the rear spine of the mag, there is a rectangular notch in which a folded part of the spring snaps into.....nothing that is visable, has any part of the retaining function...This also is why the spring failed, many sharp bends and complex forming....doomed from the start!! Almost all of these mag's exhibited another similar trait, the wood was very dark, and showed a lot of use.....hope it this helps!! till...later....G.T.

06-04-2001, 05:09 PM	#10
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Re: Dutch Mag From Jan Still's "WEIMAR LUGERS" page 300 http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/dutchmag.jpg

06-04-2001, 05:44 PM	#11
REPRO DUTCH MAG Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Dutch Mag Judging from the excellent condition of the wood and the pin hole in the tube, this appears to be one of the repro bottoms (and sold as such) that GT made for me years ago when SARCO was selling original Dutch mags with bad bottoms for $75. I do still have a few springs left for these, if needed.

06-04-2001, 11:58 PM	#12
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re:Repro Dutch Mag Good information on the Dutch 'quick release' magazine. It would have made a marvelous quiz question. Also, it is very nice to know the probable origin of the magazine. I haven't seen anything on eBay yet that I have owned at some time past, but I have seen things at gun shows, being sold by someone I didn't know, that I have sold to people in the past.