Safety questions

ronin · 11-15-2002, 11:47 AM

I'm new at this, as green as you can get. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

May somebody explain a few gray zones i still have that really disconcert me?

The safety lever in my Luger raises and lowers a bright metal part that then becomes visible on the left side of the upper / assembly. That part follows the general lines of the grip angle and points forward. As seen on the gun pictured at the home page.

I see that in other models the rising part points to the back of the gun and seems to be almost touching a thinner blued part that is either shorter on non existant in my gun. Can someone shed some light on this for me, please?

Next, I do not understand EXACTLY how do i do this (disassembly instructions).
" 4. Hit the frame with the rear of the screw driver to get the Safety Catch out.". Looks simple and dumb; i understand enough to know what it means but i would like someone to treat me like the real confessed idiot that I am <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />
, just for a few seconds, and tell me how hard to hit, if something is bound to happen when i do so and if the safety is to slide out or which way to push / pull / etc. so i'm able to remove it.

I know most of you can dissasemble the gun probably with both hands tied behind your backs and your tongue nailed to the wall and still do it under 10 seconds. My gun is crappy enough as it is, i would rather not cause it any more trauma if it can be avoided by asking the right question.

I humbly bow my head to thy and gratefully accept whatever wisdom you may generously dispense on me.

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Stu · 11-15-2002, 12:04 PM

Hi Ronin. The bright metal part raises up and blocks the sear lever from moving enough to release the firing pin. Early lugers had them pointing one way, later ones the other way, (not sure when the change happened but it was early on).

As for the safety removal, the instructions confused me as well !

What holds the safety lever on is a pin that goes through a slot in the pivot of the safety lever. If you hold the frame as you would to shoot it and look down the inside edge of the frame where the safety lever is you'll see the top of a pin buried in the frame. You can tap that out with a suitable drift and then pull the saftey lever outward and off.

I think when they say tap the frame that's supposed to end up knocking the pin out; I found it easier just to go for the pin directly !
Hope that's clear enough. someone will come along and explain the safety issues more clearly, but this might get you started.

Ron Wood · 11-15-2002, 01:01 PM

The metal part that blocks the sear points to the rear on early Lugers that have the grip safety. The sear block is an extension of the grip safety and is held in position by spring tension on the grip saftey. The thumb safety only serves to "lock" the grip safety so it can not be moved. The grip safety has a pivot point near the bottom of the grip. When the grip safety is "squeezed" (depressed) the sear block is rotated downward. The rotational movement is counter-clockwise ("anti-clockwise" according to our friends across the puddle), so the movement of the sear block is actually slightly forward and down, hence the need for the rear pointing configuration.

When the grip safety was eliminated, the sear block attaches directly to the lower extension of the thumb safety. The pivot action of this shorter lever raises and lowers the sear block on a diagonal about in line with the angle of the grip, hence the forward pointing slant on the sear block.

Im not sure that is very clear, but I hope it helps. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Stu · 11-15-2002, 02:22 PM

Thanks Ron. I certainly didn't understand the details and now I've learnt something useful !

Stu

ronin · 11-16-2002, 08:17 AM

Stu and Ron,

Thank you very much both of you. You are clear and to the point.

I'll have a look at my crappy piece later today. It think i will just call it "crappy" from now on. Got 9 other guns but this will be the first with a name.

So the angle of the metal part is related to the presence or absence of a grip safety...

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11-15-2002, 11:47 AM	#1
ronin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Safety questions I'm new at this, as green as you can get. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] May somebody explain a few gray zones i still have that really disconcert me? The safety lever in my Luger raises and lowers a bright metal part that then becomes visible on the left side of the upper / assembly. That part follows the general lines of the grip angle and points forward. As seen on the gun pictured at the home page. I see that in other models the rising part points to the back of the gun and seems to be almost touching a thinner blued part that is either shorter on non existant in my gun. Can someone shed some light on this for me, please? Next, I do not understand EXACTLY how do i do this (disassembly instructions). " 4. Hit the frame with the rear of the screw driver to get the Safety Catch out.". Looks simple and dumb; i understand enough to know what it means but i would like someone to treat me like the real confessed idiot that I am <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> , just for a few seconds, and tell me how hard to hit, if something is bound to happen when i do so and if the safety is to slide out or which way to push / pull / etc. so i'm able to remove it. I know most of you can dissasemble the gun probably with both hands tied behind your backs and your tongue nailed to the wall and still do it under 10 seconds. My gun is crappy enough as it is, i would rather not cause it any more trauma if it can be avoided by asking the right question. I humbly bow my head to thy and gratefully accept whatever wisdom you may generously dispense on me. 0-0

11-15-2002, 01:01 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	The metal part that blocks the sear points to the rear on early Lugers that have the grip safety. The sear block is an extension of the grip safety and is held in position by spring tension on the grip saftey. The thumb safety only serves to "lock" the grip safety so it can not be moved. The grip safety has a pivot point near the bottom of the grip. When the grip safety is "squeezed" (depressed) the sear block is rotated downward. The rotational movement is counter-clockwise ("anti-clockwise" according to our friends across the puddle), so the movement of the sear block is actually slightly forward and down, hence the need for the rear pointing configuration. When the grip safety was eliminated, the sear block attaches directly to the lower extension of the thumb safety. The pivot action of this shorter lever raises and lowers the sear block on a diagonal about in line with the angle of the grip, hence the forward pointing slant on the sear block. Im not sure that is very clear, but I hope it helps. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-15-2002, 12:04 PM	#2
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 452 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Hi Ronin. The bright metal part raises up and blocks the sear lever from moving enough to release the firing pin. Early lugers had them pointing one way, later ones the other way, (not sure when the change happened but it was early on). As for the safety removal, the instructions confused me as well ! What holds the safety lever on is a pin that goes through a slot in the pivot of the safety lever. If you hold the frame as you would to shoot it and look down the inside edge of the frame where the safety lever is you'll see the top of a pin buried in the frame. You can tap that out with a suitable drift and then pull the saftey lever outward and off. I think when they say tap the frame that's supposed to end up knocking the pin out; I found it easier just to go for the pin directly ! Hope that's clear enough. someone will come along and explain the safety issues more clearly, but this might get you started.

11-15-2002, 02:22 PM	#4
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 452 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Thanks Ron. I certainly didn't understand the details and now I've learnt something useful ! Stu

11-16-2002, 08:17 AM	#5
ronin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stu and Ron, Thank you very much both of you. You are clear and to the point. I'll have a look at my crappy piece later today. It think i will just call it "crappy" from now on. Got 9 other guns but this will be the first with a name. So the angle of the metal part is related to the presence or absence of a grip safety... 0-0