OT..Military History Forum Sites...

Pete Ebbink · 01-25-2003, 01:23 AM

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Found this link to some interesting military history web sites created by a Mr. Marcus Wendel :

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB...pic.php?t=6268

Thought some might find some useful info. and reading...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 01-25-2003, 01:33 AM

Very interesting links Pete!

Thanks bud!!

ViggoG · 01-25-2003, 05:12 AM

Pete & ED,
I looked at the site on "Why everybody hated the Waffwn SS.
As one whos friends were there I say Its A myth and Fairy story that the Waffen SS were ever outstanding soldiers except when they had the advantage.
In defense of my WW-2 comrades at arms I'm totally shocked that WSS Troops are so highly praised as the best of WW-2.
Has no one heard of Bastogne Where a handful of American Airbourne Troopers Cut off, Surrounded,
Outnumbered 7 to 1, Socked in by the weather, running low on supplies, and half frozen, held off the best that Hitlers General Staff could throw at them.
And when arrogantly offered a opportunity to surrender put forth the most famous four letter word ever heard by a German Officer. "NUTS" was all the answer they got. and when the relief column finally broke through they refused to wait for ambulances and "Route Marched Out under Their Own Power".
The worlds Best in WW-2, NUTS", the best of the Waffen SS was never fit to shine the shoes of any of "Those Bloody Battered Bastards of Bastogne", as they were lovingly called by the troops that relieved them.
That Waffen SS crap is a myth that needs correcting every where it appears.
WW-2 Vet. ViggoG

MikeP · 01-25-2003, 02:11 PM

My father was with the 506 PIR in Bastogne during the siege.

The 101 had been relieved after considerable involvement in Holland and were on stand down.

When the offensive began the line was mostly occupied by green troops who bugged out.

The 101 was gathered up and hastily loaded on cattle trucks and moved to fill the holes.

In many cases they had little or no equipment and picked up a lot of stuff that had been "dropped" by these people.

10th Armored was mentioned as having been a major contributor of this equipment.

A lot of other people contributed to the effort of stopping the offensive but the 101 was crucial as Bastogne was directly in the path of the German advance toward Antwerp.

By the time Patton got thru to relieve them they were a pretty ragged bunch.

Later my dad's unit liberated a couple of camps-I had photgraphs he took of these places but lost them when I was a kid. Big piles of starved bodies.

There were some letters he wrote home at that time and he said thay never took prisoners after that. He hated Germans the rest of his life.

His father was in WW1 and nobody was happy about having to leave the farm and go to war with those people a second time.

As a kid I collected Nazi stuff-there was a lot around in the 50s.

I went airborne in 67 and did 20 months in RVN as an advisor with 5th SF and got to see what it was all about.

I got rid of the Nazi stuff and especially SS stuff when I got out.

I too am simply dismayed at the fawning attention people want to attribute to these fanatical murdering bastards. They may have had neat looking gear but those people and their ilk were from the pit itself.

So much for a people that allows their government to think for them.

Off my soapbox, sorry for the rant.

"War is glorious to those who have not experienced it"

Mark A · 01-25-2003, 02:12 PM

Do you guys get involuntary mental pictures of guys who post here? I had ViggoG as a swarthy 27 year old Italian devil-may-care playboy. Now he's a wwII vet!

Edward Tinker · 01-25-2003, 03:04 PM

Viggo has the heart of a 27 year I think,

And yes, when I said it was a good site, that was from a quick look and primarily because it had so much information, albeit from the other side of the mirror.

AGE · 01-25-2003, 03:21 PM

Mike,

I was a kid during WWII. Saw tons of camp pictures after the war. Hated Nazis ever since, and not too sure about Germans. Lugers are neat, everything else is repulsive to me including holsters, rings, uniforms, belts, medals, etc.

Edward Tinker · 01-25-2003, 03:29 PM

No better comment Age, I can't state it better than you guys, I agree and understand your feelings.

Ed

01-25-2003, 01:23 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	OT..Military History Forum Sites... <img border="0" alt="[offtopic]" title="" src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" /> Found this link to some interesting military history web sites created by a Mr. Marcus Wendel : http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB...pic.php?t=6268 Thought some might find some useful info. and reading... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

01-25-2003, 01:33 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Very interesting links Pete! Thanks bud!! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-25-2003, 02:12 PM	#5
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do you guys get involuntary mental pictures of guys who post here? I had ViggoG as a swarthy 27 year old Italian devil-may-care playboy. Now he's a wwII vet! __________________ Mark

01-25-2003, 03:04 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Viggo has the heart of a 27 year I think, And yes, when I said it was a good site, that was from a quick look and primarily because it had so much information, albeit from the other side of the mirror. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-25-2003, 03:21 PM	#7
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mike, I was a kid during WWII. Saw tons of camp pictures after the war. Hated Nazis ever since, and not too sure about Germans. Lugers are neat, everything else is repulsive to me including holsters, rings, uniforms, belts, medals, etc. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

01-25-2003, 05:12 AM	#3
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Pete & ED, I looked at the site on "Why everybody hated the Waffwn SS. As one whos friends were there I say Its A myth and Fairy story that the Waffen SS were ever outstanding soldiers except when they had the advantage. In defense of my WW-2 comrades at arms I'm totally shocked that WSS Troops are so highly praised as the best of WW-2. Has no one heard of Bastogne Where a handful of American Airbourne Troopers Cut off, Surrounded, Outnumbered 7 to 1, Socked in by the weather, running low on supplies, and half frozen, held off the best that Hitlers General Staff could throw at them. And when arrogantly offered a opportunity to surrender put forth the most famous four letter word ever heard by a German Officer. "NUTS" was all the answer they got. and when the relief column finally broke through they refused to wait for ambulances and "Route Marched Out under Their Own Power". The worlds Best in WW-2, NUTS", the best of the Waffen SS was never fit to shine the shoes of any of "Those Bloody Battered Bastards of Bastogne", as they were lovingly called by the troops that relieved them. That Waffen SS crap is a myth that needs correcting every where it appears. WW-2 Vet. ViggoG

01-25-2003, 02:11 PM	#4
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	My father was with the 506 PIR in Bastogne during the siege. The 101 had been relieved after considerable involvement in Holland and were on stand down. When the offensive began the line was mostly occupied by green troops who bugged out. The 101 was gathered up and hastily loaded on cattle trucks and moved to fill the holes. In many cases they had little or no equipment and picked up a lot of stuff that had been "dropped" by these people. 10th Armored was mentioned as having been a major contributor of this equipment. A lot of other people contributed to the effort of stopping the offensive but the 101 was crucial as Bastogne was directly in the path of the German advance toward Antwerp. By the time Patton got thru to relieve them they were a pretty ragged bunch. Later my dad's unit liberated a couple of camps-I had photgraphs he took of these places but lost them when I was a kid. Big piles of starved bodies. There were some letters he wrote home at that time and he said thay never took prisoners after that. He hated Germans the rest of his life. His father was in WW1 and nobody was happy about having to leave the farm and go to war with those people a second time. As a kid I collected Nazi stuff-there was a lot around in the 50s. I went airborne in 67 and did 20 months in RVN as an advisor with 5th SF and got to see what it was all about. I got rid of the Nazi stuff and especially SS stuff when I got out. I too am simply dismayed at the fawning attention people want to attribute to these fanatical murdering bastards. They may have had neat looking gear but those people and their ilk were from the pit itself. So much for a people that allows their government to think for them. Off my soapbox, sorry for the rant. "War is glorious to those who have not experienced it"

01-25-2003, 03:29 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	No better comment Age, I can't state it better than you guys, I agree and understand your feelings. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV