byf41 655&135 both proofs - Page 2

tickkk · 03-11-2003, 09:37 AM

great information guys now i get it.mine is totally correct,my barrel is 4 inch with 8.81 bore size.after looking close with magnifying glass the tiny waffenampt on barrel is 655 not 135 as i eailier said.just wondering if all of your barrels have this 655 inspector mark?(or maybe 135 on ones later than mine).i ran a clip through my luger when i bought it,works fine.i want all my guns to function properly even expensive ones or i dont buy them.some collectors never fire them and dont care,to each his own!appreciate all your info on this subject.

tony k · 03-11-2003, 06:55 PM

For what it's worth, my 41 byf SN 960a is a double 135 (barrel is 135 waffenampt as well). So by the alpha block in January 1942 the switch to 135 was complete. All matching, 4" 8.82 barrel, sideplate marked "10" inside. Alas, it's an early 1950s reblue. Original grips unknown (now wears an apparently repro BW set) and came with two plastic-bottom fxo 37 mags and a 655-waffenampt loading tool.

tickkk, I shoot all my guns regularly as well. Just attended the winter WWII reenactment in Hernando, FL and put a couple of mags of Win 115-gr through her during range time -- to the left of my shooting position was an MP40, to the right an MG34, so my P08 felt right at home. Talk about a noisy event! The Luger functioned flawlessly, unlike the MGs.

Bryon · 03-12-2003, 02:55 AM

Barrel: 4"
serial 6729, land diameter 8,82
Grips: Black bakelite
Sideplate: not marked inside except what looks like a faint stamp, a "B" or and "8", 29 outside

Waffenampt on barrel is 655.

RockinWR · 03-14-2003, 04:02 AM

Gentlemen,
* Thank you for your dBase input & an enlightening post.
* Need to tie up a few loose ends.
(a) Frank...you are correct. 8924_ is the mixed WaA example and the highest reported to date. I made an error in this post when I stated 8849_ was mixed. It is actually not a reported pistol. 8869_ is reported and is a dual sE/655 marked byf'41 example. Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused.
(b) Bryon: IMO, your i/Side Side Plate number should be 68. Being re-blued, it's possible the added bluing is hiding the leading "6" of a "68" combination. This would be 1 higher than the first 2 digits of your gun's S/N which would be correct.
(c) Navystv: For Mauser Military P.08's made 1939-'42, the original matching sideplate will be numbered 1 higher than the first two digits of the gun's S/N on the inside. You should find the numerals "12" in yours. This for 3 digit gun S/N's and above. Single and two digit gun S/N's are believed to be marked with only the numeral "1". An old collector's observation relayed to me throught the pages of AutoMag. BTW; 1937-1938 chamber dated Mauser P.08's had the exact first two digits inside. No verified pattern I've heard of for "K"'s through 1936's as yet.
* When you see dB think of Don's database. He started a number of us watching/recording S/N's and has only been collecting P.08/mag numbers for a Quadzillion years. I highly recommend the service Don provides for P.08 Mags as a number of collectors now have matching mag P.08's because of this listing. Even if you don't win the SilverEagle29 lottery, the 80+ pages of numbers reveal important transitions and add insight to what correctly went where when, etc. So send your extra mag numbers to Don in an E-Mail. A simple reporting form and categorized/codified recognition chart can be provided to standardize the reportings. Confidentiality is maintained to the degree you desire.
* My 6345_ details are an anomoly because of its VOPO refurbishment:
- Barrel: 6345_ with DDR Crown N. No land diameter marking. No WaA acceptance. Post War new barrel by the East Germans.
- Grips: VOPO black plastic with concentric circle "bullseye" pattern on each.
- Sideplate: 45 outside; 64 inside.
Respectfully,
WR

03-11-2003, 09:37 AM	#21
tickkk User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	great information guys now i get it.mine is totally correct,my barrel is 4 inch with 8.81 bore size.after looking close with magnifying glass the tiny waffenampt on barrel is 655 not 135 as i eailier said.just wondering if all of your barrels have this 655 inspector mark?(or maybe 135 on ones later than mine).i ran a clip through my luger when i bought it,works fine.i want all my guns to function properly even expensive ones or i dont buy them.some collectors never fire them and dont care,to each his own!appreciate all your info on this subject.

03-11-2003, 06:55 PM	#22
tony k User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	For what it's worth, my 41 byf SN 960a is a double 135 (barrel is 135 waffenampt as well). So by the alpha block in January 1942 the switch to 135 was complete. All matching, 4" 8.82 barrel, sideplate marked "10" inside. Alas, it's an early 1950s reblue. Original grips unknown (now wears an apparently repro BW set) and came with two plastic-bottom fxo 37 mags and a 655-waffenampt loading tool. tickkk, I shoot all my guns regularly as well. Just attended the winter WWII reenactment in Hernando, FL and put a couple of mags of Win 115-gr through her during range time -- to the left of my shooting position was an MP40, to the right an MG34, so my P08 felt right at home. Talk about a noisy event! The Luger functioned flawlessly, unlike the MGs.

03-12-2003, 02:55 AM	#23
Bryon User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: CA Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Barrel: 4" serial 6729, land diameter 8,82 Grips: Black bakelite Sideplate: not marked inside except what looks like a faint stamp, a "B" or and "8", 29 outside Waffenampt on barrel is 655.

03-14-2003, 04:02 AM	#24
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Gentlemen, * Thank you for your dBase input & an enlightening post. * Need to tie up a few loose ends. (a) Frank...you are correct. 8924_ is the mixed WaA example and the highest reported to date. I made an error in this post when I stated 8849_ was mixed. It is actually not a reported pistol. 8869_ is reported and is a dual sE/655 marked byf'41 example. Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused. (b) Bryon: IMO, your i/Side Side Plate number should be 68. Being re-blued, it's possible the added bluing is hiding the leading "6" of a "68" combination. This would be 1 higher than the first 2 digits of your gun's S/N which would be correct. (c) Navystv: For Mauser Military P.08's made 1939-'42, the original matching sideplate will be numbered 1 higher than the first two digits of the gun's S/N on the inside. You should find the numerals "12" in yours. This for 3 digit gun S/N's and above. Single and two digit gun S/N's are believed to be marked with only the numeral "1". An old collector's observation relayed to me throught the pages of AutoMag. BTW; 1937-1938 chamber dated Mauser P.08's had the exact first two digits inside. No verified pattern I've heard of for "K"'s through 1936's as yet. * When you see dB think of Don's database. He started a number of us watching/recording S/N's and has only been collecting P.08/mag numbers for a Quadzillion years. I highly recommend the service Don provides for P.08 Mags as a number of collectors now have matching mag P.08's because of this listing. Even if you don't win the SilverEagle29 lottery, the 80+ pages of numbers reveal important transitions and add insight to what correctly went where when, etc. So send your extra mag numbers to Don in an E-Mail. A simple reporting form and categorized/codified recognition chart can be provided to standardize the reportings. Confidentiality is maintained to the degree you desire. * My 6345_ details are an anomoly because of its VOPO refurbishment: - Barrel: 6345_ with DDR Crown N. No land diameter marking. No WaA acceptance. Post War new barrel by the East Germans. - Grips: VOPO black plastic with concentric circle "bullseye" pattern on each. - Sideplate: 45 outside; 64 inside. Respectfully, WR