Well that's a new one!

Chickenthief · 03-29-2017, 07:38 PM

Chalk it up to me to destroy a Parabellum in a brand new way.

Edward Tinker · 03-29-2017, 07:47 PM

well, I've blown the rear out, but not sure what you did

Chickenthief · 03-29-2017, 08:01 PM

Made expensive scrap.

Eugen · 03-29-2017, 08:11 PM

Ouch!

That was a show stopper. I trust you didn't loose any fingers or eyeballs.

Chickenthief · 03-29-2017, 09:06 PM

It just stopped working and i racked it and no slam of the firing pin.
Took it apart and discovered the broken spring guide/retainer. Thught nothing more of it and got a replacement one, when it wouldnt lock in place i discovered the broken "bolt".

I have baited a couple of hooks and hopes something bites and i can get a replacement. In Germany that part is considered a licensed part so no easy Egun deal there.

DonVoigt · 03-29-2017, 09:13 PM

That is nothing new, many of the used bolts for sale have the retaining area for the striker retaining tab worn or even worn through.

The "tab" is only about 1.5 x 1.5 mm, and is a wear point- good place to remember to oil.
Yours does look like the rear "ledge" cracked off and caused the problem, which is a little different.

When the retainer works through, it then jams at an angle and breaks- as you see yours.

The worn through slot can be welded and re-shaped, or a pin inserted to act as a retainer.
Placing the pin takes very careful work and then re-fitting of the retainer.

I believe yours could be "saved" the same way, but a new/used breech block would likely be cheaper!

Vlim · 03-30-2017, 07:12 AM

These can be fixed by micro welding these days.
You could try contacting Otto Repa in Oberndorf. He repaired quite a few in the past.

Chickenthief · 03-30-2017, 12:45 PM

A fine bottle of Scotch whisky (spelled the right way!) and my problems are over.
I apparently know the right man and he had parts in a bin and i got what i needed for free :-)

rhuff · 03-30-2017, 01:55 PM

I have had a broken retainer just like the one in your photo, but it did not damage the breechblock.....thank Heaven!! I repaired it, but do not use it, as OEM and repos are readily available....just wanted to see if I could do it. I feel that this is definitely a weak point in the P08.

mrerick · 03-30-2017, 07:29 PM

Did you pierce a primer?

I can't tell if this is a later pistol, but if it's to be a shooter, swap in a fluted firing pin when you replace things.

DonVoigt · 03-31-2017, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Did you pierce a primer?

I can't tell if this is a later pistol, but if it's to be a shooter, swap in a fluted firing pin when you replace things.

What difference would that have made with a pierced primer?

That is not why pins were fluted.

mrerick · 03-31-2017, 08:52 AM

The fluting has the side effect of venting exhaust gas around the piston the firing pin forms within the breech block. It relieves some of the pressure that leads to catastrophic failure.

Here's a discussion over at Jan Still's forum:

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ed-Firing-Pin!

DonVoigt · 03-31-2017, 11:22 AM

No,
I'm not buying that explanation.
If you look at the construction and the fluting, the flutes have NO where to vent any gas to.

The Finnish made a mod by drilling a hole just aft of the forward wall of the breech block that will vent gas downward into the magazine area.

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	That is nothing new, many of the used bolts for sale have the retaining area for the striker retaining tab worn or even worn through. The "tab" is only about 1.5 x 1.5 mm, and is a wear point- good place to remember to oil. Yours does look like the rear "ledge" cracked off and caused the problem, which is a little different. When the retainer works through, it then jams at an angle and breaks- as you see yours. The worn through slot can be welded and re-shaped, or a pin inserted to act as a retainer. Placing the pin takes very careful work and then re-fitting of the retainer. I believe yours could be "saved" the same way, but a new/used breech block would likely be cheaper! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Did you pierce a primer? I can't tell if this is a later pistol, but if it's to be a shooter, swap in a fluted firing pin when you replace things. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

03-31-2017, 08:52 AM	#12
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	The fluting has the side effect of venting exhaust gas around the piston the firing pin forms within the breech block. It relieves some of the pressure that leads to catastrophic failure. Here's a discussion over at Jan Still's forum: http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ed-Firing-Pin! __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	well, I've blown the rear out, but not sure what you did

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Chickenthief User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 131 Times in 48 Posts	Made expensive scrap.

03-29-2017, 09:06 PM	#5
Chickenthief User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 131 Times in 48 Posts	It just stopped working and i racked it and no slam of the firing pin. Took it apart and discovered the broken spring guide/retainer. Thught nothing more of it and got a replacement one, when it wouldnt lock in place i discovered the broken "bolt". I have baited a couple of hooks and hopes something bites and i can get a replacement. In Germany that part is considered a licensed part so no easy Egun deal there.

03-30-2017, 07:12 AM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	These can be fixed by micro welding these days. You could try contacting Otto Repa in Oberndorf. He repaired quite a few in the past.

03-30-2017, 12:45 PM	#8
Chickenthief User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Denmark Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 131 Times in 48 Posts	A fine bottle of Scotch whisky (spelled the right way!) and my problems are over. I apparently know the right man and he had parts in a bin and i got what i needed for free :-)

03-30-2017, 01:55 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,305 Thanks: 2,735 Thanked 991 Times in 727 Posts	I have had a broken retainer just like the one in your photo, but it did not damage the breechblock.....thank Heaven!! I repaired it, but do not use it, as OEM and repos are readily available....just wanted to see if I could do it. I feel that this is definitely a weak point in the P08.

03-31-2017, 11:22 AM	#13
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	No, I'm not buying that explanation. If you look at the construction and the fluting, the flutes have NO where to vent any gas to. The Finnish made a mod by drilling a hole just aft of the forward wall of the breech block that will vent gas downward into the magazine area. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie